I can not, and refuse to use any bozo (dev/null) filters on anyone, on any list. I use a Hero (dev/null) filter. But Owen, at least for me, has yet to reach Hero status. Karma is such a fickle thing, just ask about my 32 box home network that caught on fire last month, that I dare not tempt incurring the wraith of those fates that bind us to this cruel world Nor would I be so gormless as to advertise such.