HOC Library on US Sigint in Europe

[Michael Bacon]

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This is no surprise.  In 1990 an article I wrote for Telecommunications 
International had an entire section dealing with the BRUSA and UKUSA pacts 
(for the exchange of SigInt) withdrawn by the US editors.  I successfully 
reinserted the material into my paper to CompSec91 but it was subsequently 
remarked to me by a UK government employee that "the material was in the 
public domain - *if you knew where to look* (my emphasis)".

It would appear that if NSA employees in Cheltenham and GCHQ employees in Ft 
George G Mead intercept communications without warrant - that is spying.  Of 
course, if no action is taken against them "for reasons of national security" 
...

Brian Gladman wrote:
> 
> The part of this that should get the media interested is the possibility
> that an 'agreement' exists between NSA and GCHQ to avoid the legal
> constraints within their own jurisdictions by each getting the other to do
> their dirty work for them.  It is interesting to speculate how such an
> agreement could be concluded and in whose name(s) it would be made. In
> practice I think that this would have to operate through ambiguities and
> loopholes in a legal framework for co-operation. 
> ...
>      Brian Gladman

This is no surprise.  In 1990 an article I wrote for Telecommunications 
International had an entire section dealing with the BRUSA and UKUSA pacts 
(for the exchange of SigInt) withdrawn by the US editors.  I successfully 
reinserted the material into my paper to CompSec91 but it was subsequently 
remarked to me by a UK government employee that "the material was in the 
public domain - *if you knew where to look* (my emphasis)".

It would appear that if NSA employees in Cheltenham and GCHQ employees in Ft 
George G Mead intercept communications without warrant - that is spying.  Of 
course, if no action is taken against them "for reasons of national security" 
...

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