From risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Fri Nov 12 23:08:48 2004 From: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:08:48 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Hi folks, In message John-Mark Bell wrote: > In message <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > After copying !TexFonts.Utilities.AddToPath to the Run$Path, > > John-Mark's problem 1) is solved. > > > > Aha! Thanks for that, I hadn't noticed that being there ;) Still, it may > well be sensible to do something akin to what !gcc does: > > If "" = "" Then Set Run$Path ,TeXBin: > Set TeXBin$Path texmf:armtex.bin. > > As it saves the user having to put AddToPath somewhere sane ;) Well, I've tried messing about with both of these solutions and so far haven't managed to solve the AddToPath error, no doubt because of my own lack of skill. I would be grateful for a little more details as to exactly what to do to get this new distribution to work. Kind regards, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 14 10:58:30 2004 From: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:58:30 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: In message David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > In message <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> > Richard Smith wrote: > > > In message > > John-Mark Bell wrote: > > > > > In message <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> > > > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > > > > > After copying !TexFonts.Utilities.AddToPath to the Run$Path, > > > > John-Mark's problem 1) is solved. > > > > > > Aha! Thanks for that, I hadn't noticed that being there ;) Still, it > > > may well be sensible to do something akin to what !gcc does: > > > > > > If "" = "" Then Set Run$Path ,TeXBin: Set > > > TeXBin$Path texmf:armtex.bin. > > > > > > As it saves the user having to put AddToPath somewhere sane ;) > > > > Well, I've tried messing about with both of these solutions and so far > > haven't managed to solve the AddToPath error, no doubt because of my own > > lack of skill. I would be grateful for a little more details as to > > exactly what to do to get this new distribution to work. > > It's difficult to know exactly what the problem is for you, but if you've > tried the two suggestions above and they don't work, I suggest you try > downloading Olly Betts's AddToPath utility that you can get from here: > > > > Copy it inside "$.!Boot.Library" and try re-booting both !TeX and !TeXFonts > (that is, re-run their !Boot files). Hopefully this will do the trick. OK, thanks very much for your suggestion. I tried !Boot.Library and that didn't work, but !Boot.Library.RiscOS did, in that it allowed the directory containing the new 32-bit ArmTeX to be opened without the AddtoPath error. However, trying to run any of my LaTeX files (which all have a big red cross through them!!) produces the error that an application that loads that sort of file hasn't been found, despite the new !TeX and !TeXFonts being visible in an open window at the time, plus (for good measure) being Filer_Booted too.:-) I tried putting the AddtoPath file from inside !TeXFonts.Utilities inside !Boot.Library.RiscOS instead - same result. Ho hum...I suppose this is meant to run on a Risc OS 4.39 Risc PC and not just on the Iyonix, is it...? > I've been meaning to make suitable changes to the original archives but > haven't yet got around to it. Perhaps best to wait for this. I still have the old armTeX which works OK, plus the old Graham Toal one kicking around somewhere... Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From lists@flypig.co.uk Sun Nov 14 15:09:58 2004 From: lists@flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:09:58 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: In message Richard Smith wrote: > In message > David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > [snip] > > It's difficult to know exactly what the problem is for you, but if you've > > tried the two suggestions above and they don't work, I suggest you try > > downloading Olly Betts's AddToPath utility that you can get from here: > > > > > > > > Copy it inside "$.!Boot.Library" and try re-booting both !TeX and > > !TeXFonts (that is, re-run their !Boot files). Hopefully this will do the > > trick. > > OK, thanks very much for your suggestion. I tried !Boot.Library and that > didn't work, but !Boot.Library.RiscOS did, in that it allowed the directory > containing the new 32-bit ArmTeX to be opened without the AddtoPath error. Sorry; I hadn't noticed you were using a RiscPC, and I'd forgotten that the RO 4 boot might be different. If you no longer get the error, it sounds like you've found the right place for AddtoPath! > However, trying to run any of my LaTeX files (which all have a big red > cross through them!!) produces the error that an application that loads > that sort of file hasn't been found, despite the new !TeX and !TeXFonts > being visible in an open window at the time, plus (for good measure) being > Filer_Booted too.:-) There is a good explanation for this: your files were probably created for an older version of armTeX. Since then, the file type assignment for TeX and LaTeX files has changed (I think they were changed when an official filetype was assigned to them). This is why there's a big cross through them! The new filetypes should not have this cross. You'll have to SetType all of your files again if you want them to work with this latest version of armTeX. To do this, click menu on each of your LaTeX files, follow the menu "File 'name' >" and then "Set type >" and enter "LaTeX" and hit return. Alternatively you can enter the new filetype number which is "ACA" (in hex) in the same way. You'll have to do something similar for any TeX files you have as well, changing them to "TeX" or "CE5". If you have a lot of files to do, I've placed a couple of utilities here that might make the process a bit easier: Just run the two applications contained in the archive and drag the files that need changing to the iconbar icons to change them to the correct type. > I tried putting the AddtoPath file from inside !TeXFonts.Utilities inside > !Boot.Library.RiscOS instead - same result. Yes, the two problems aren't related I'm afraid, so you'll have to make both the AddToPath and the SetType changes to get a fully working system with this latest release. With the official assignment of new filetypes, the latter change was inevitable I'm afraid, and the transition was always going to be a bit problematic. > Ho hum...I suppose this is meant to run on a Risc OS 4.39 Risc PC and not > just on the Iyonix, is it...? To be honest, although the 32-bit release *should* work on a RiscPC, it doesn't offer anything over the last 26-bit version (version 3). However, it sounds like you have an older version than that, so you'd be wise to upgrade to at least version 3. >From a personal point of view it would also be nice to have confirmation that the new system does work on a RiscPC, if you can get it to work :) Regards, David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From sbellon@sbellon.de Sun Nov 14 11:55:46 2004 From: sbellon@sbellon.de (Stefan Bellon) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:55:46 +0100 Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <4d0db171efsbellon@sbellon.de> Richard Smith wrote: > However, trying to run any of my LaTeX files (which all have a big > red cross through them!!) The red cross indicates that they are typed wrongly. Those are the old filetypes that have been re-allocated to the new ones. That explains why you get the "No application that loads this filetype ..." error. Type the files appropriately and it should work. -- Stefan Bellon From risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 14 17:09:09 2004 From: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:09:09 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: In message David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: [snipping to tidy up a bit...] > There is a good explanation for this: your files were probably created for > an older version of armTeX. Since then, the file type assignment for TeX > and LaTeX files has changed (I think they were changed when an official > filetype was assigned to them). This is why there's a big cross through > them! The new filetypes should not have this cross. OK...right...I see that, although interestingly if I fire up my old armTeX old my LaTeX files (type &2a8) don't have a cross - presumably because the old armTex is supplying the filetype association. Thanks /very/ much for the settype utilities which work a dream, that was kind of you. [snip again] > From a personal point of view it would also be nice to have confirmation > that the new system does work on a RiscPC, if you can get it to work :) Me too.:-)) However, I'm still not quite there, but it's feeling closer.:-) Putting either Olly Betts's AddtoPath utility or the one in !TeXFonts.Utilities (but not both!) in !Boot.Library.RiscOS allows me to open the directory containing the new armTeX without the AddtoPath error, and changing the filetype removes the red cross OK... ...but trying to run any of them causes an error 'LaTeX may have gone wrong', which it is described as 'Abort on data transfer at &00008078'. Acknowledging this clear the error box and returns the computer to my control, but any subsequent attempt to run LaTeX locks the machine solid (every time), requiring a scrabble round the back and RESET to be pressed.:-(( (There's one reason to get an Iyonix - isn't the RESET button on the front?) Many thanks for your kind assistance so far - I'm keen to get the new version going too, so any further suggestions will be investigated with interest. Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From jmb202@ecs.soton.ac.uk Sun Nov 14 17:43:51 2004 From: jmb202@ecs.soton.ac.uk (John-Mark Bell) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:43:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Richard Smith wrote: [snip] > ...but trying to run any of them causes an error 'LaTeX may have gone wrong', > which it is described as 'Abort on data transfer at &00008078'. Acknowledging > this clear the error box and returns the computer to my control, but any > subsequent attempt to run LaTeX locks the machine solid (every time), > requiring a scrabble round the back and RESET to be pressed.:-(( I suspect this is caused by insufficient wimpslot being allocated for the executables. I posted this to csa.apps: > One other minor issue - the Wimpslot values in the TeX, LaTeX and Mf > obey files need increasing by 200k. To do this, simply *filer_opendir texbin: and open the LaTeX, Mf and TeX obey files in a text editor and increase the WimpSlot values by 200. > (There's one reason to get an Iyonix - isn't the RESET button on the > front?) It is. John. From risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 14 23:21:20 2004 From: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:21:20 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> In message John-Mark Bell wrote: > On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Richard Smith wrote: > > [snip] > > > ...but trying to run any of them causes an error 'LaTeX may have gone > > wrong', which it is described as 'Abort on data transfer at &00008078'. > > Acknowledging this clear the error box and returns the computer to my > > control, but any subsequent attempt to run LaTeX locks the machine solid > > (every time), requiring a scrabble round the back and RESET to be > > pressed.:-(( > > I suspect this is caused by insufficient wimpslot being allocated for the > executables. I posted this to csa.apps: > > > One other minor issue - the Wimpslot values in the TeX, LaTeX and Mf > > obey files need increasing by 200k. > > To do this, simply *filer_opendir texbin: and open the LaTeX, Mf and TeX > obey files in a text editor and increase the WimpSlot values by 200. Ah...I must have missed this. Thank you so much for repeating the information here, which has allowed it to COMPILE...YAY!! :-))) The filer_opendir texbin: didn't work but I found the files and increased the wimpslot as described. It's not finding my own style files, even though I've copied them into !TeX.texmf.local I thought at first it was because they were lacking the /sty extension, but adding that hasn't helped. Isn't that the right place for them? Big progress today - many thanks for all the helpful advice received. Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From lists@flypig.co.uk Mon Nov 15 00:07:42 2004 From: lists@flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:07:42 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> References: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> In message <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Richard Smith wrote: [snip] > It's not finding my own style files, even though I've copied them into > !TeX.texmf.local I thought at first it was because they were lacking the > /sty extension, but adding that hasn't helped. Isn't that the right place > for them? You've got the right place, but you also need to set up the 'local' directory with the same structure as the directories above it. So, you'll need to create 'tex.latex' folders inside your 'local' folder and place your /sty file inside there (assuming it's a latex style file). The final pathname should be something like: !TeX.texmf.local.tex.latex.mystyles/sty Incidentally, it will also pick up style files kept in the same folder as the LaTeX file being compiled, so if the above doesn't work, you should be able to do this instead. Hope this helps :) David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From lists@flypig.co.uk Sun Nov 14 19:02:41 2004 From: lists@flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:02:41 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX Message-ID: There were a number of teething problems with the original version of 32-bit armTeX I uploaded. I've now got around to sorting some of the issues out, and the new version is on the website: The fixes are as follows: - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more sensible way, - wimpslot increased to a suitable value, - new Zap TeX buttons installation procedure (part of BuTeX). For those still having trouble getting things to work it might be worth downloading this latest version. For simplicity there's no upgrade version (you have to download the whole lot again), but if anyone would find it easier (e.g. if you're on dialup), I'd be happy to create a very small upgrade archive. Just let me know. Thanks for all of the helpful suggestions and solutions that people have sent. David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Wed Nov 17 19:41:01 2004 From: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:41:01 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> References: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> Message-ID: <738c670f4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> In message <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > In message <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> > Richard Smith wrote: > [snip] > > It's not finding my own style files, even though I've copied them into > > !TeX.texmf.local I thought at first it was because they were lacking > > the /sty extension, but adding that hasn't helped. Isn't that the right > > place for them? > > You've got the right place, but you also need to set up the 'local' > directory with the same structure as the directories above it. > > So, you'll need to create 'tex.latex' folders inside your 'local' folder > and place your /sty file inside there (assuming it's a latex style file). > > The final pathname should be something like: > > !TeX.texmf.local.tex.latex.mystyles/sty > > Incidentally, it will also pick up style files kept in the same folder as > the LaTeX file being compiled, so if the above doesn't work, you should be > able to do this instead. > > Hope this helps :) It certainly did - all styles found now, many thanks.:-)) Regards, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Wed Nov 17 19:39:46 2004 From: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:46 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > There were a number of teething problems with the original version of > 32-bit armTeX I uploaded. I've now got around to sorting some of the issues > out, and the new version is on the website: Oooh, great! :-) Testing on a Risc OS 4.39 (Adjust) Risc PC then: > The fixes are as follows: > - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more > sensible way, This work fine here - many thanks.:-) > - wimpslot increased to a suitable value, Er...I think it's possible that this didn't make it into the final archive as I had a repeat of the crashing problem, and on checking the wimpslots in !TeX.texmf.armtex.bin I found that LaTeX, Mf and TeX were still as they were initially. I increased them by 200 (as recommended by JMB IIRC), and that seems to be OK now. > - new Zap TeX buttons installation procedure (part of BuTeX). I see this is for !Zap 1.46 which I gave up on a little while back and went back to 1.45 as I couldn't get any of the buttons to work. I tried adding your module in !ZapUser but it didn't work in 1.45...:-( On another note, for the sake of clarity am I right in assuming that !TeXFonts and !DVIview are unchanged in this release, please? Many thanks for providing this release - it seems to be compiling OK now.:-)) Regards, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From lists@flypig.co.uk Sun Nov 21 21:21:46 2004 From: lists@flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:21:46 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> In message Richard Smith wrote: > In message > David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > [snip] > > The fixes are as follows: > > - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more > > sensible way, > > This work fine here - many thanks.:-) Thanks for testing this all out, it's good to know that it's (finally) pretty much there :) > > - wimpslot increased to a suitable value, > > Er...I think it's possible that this didn't make it into the final archive > as I had a repeat of the crashing problem, and on checking the wimpslots in > !TeX.texmf.armtex.bin I found that LaTeX, Mf and TeX were still as they > were initially. I increased them by 200 (as recommended by JMB IIRC), and > that seems to be OK now. Ooops :( Sorry, somehow this must have got missed out; thanks greatly for pointing out the error. This really, honestly, should now be fixed ;) If you've already changed your own version, there's no need to download it all again, of course. > > - new Zap TeX buttons installation procedure (part of BuTeX). > > I see this is for !Zap 1.46 which I gave up on a little while back and went > back to 1.45 as I couldn't get any of the buttons to work. I tried adding > your module in !ZapUser but it didn't work in 1.45...:-( I think the structure of ZapUser (or rather the modules structure) has been changed between 1.45 and 1.46, which would explain this. I've put a new version of the buttons up with a 1.45 version in, although I can't test it as I'm running 1.46 here. If anyone gets the chance to test it, I'd be interested in any results. > On another note, for the sake of clarity am I right in assuming that > !TeXFonts and !DVIview are unchanged in this release, please? Yes, this is pretty much right. I think I may have changed some details in some of the help files, but nothing worth downloading 7 meg worth of stuff for. > Many thanks for providing this release - it seems to be compiling OK > now.:-)) Glad to hear it. Thanks for taking the time to respond to it! Cheers, David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 21 23:10:40 2004 From: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:10:40 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX In-Reply-To: <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> References: <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> Message-ID: In message <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > In message > Richard Smith wrote: > > > In message > > David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > > > > > The fixes are as follows: > > > - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more > > > sensible way, > > > > This work fine here - many thanks.:-) > > Thanks for testing this all out, it's good to know that it's (finally) > pretty much there :) My pleasure.:-) > > > - wimpslot increased to a suitable value [snip] > Ooops :( Sorry, somehow this must have got missed out; thanks greatly for > pointing out the error. > > This really, honestly, should now be fixed ;) If you've already changed > your own version, there's no need to download it all again, of course. OK, I presume it's only increasing the WimpSlots in those three files, is it? > I think the structure of ZapUser (or rather the modules structure) has been > changed between 1.45 and 1.46, which would explain this. I've put a new > version of the buttons up with a 1.45 version in, although I can't test it > as I'm running 1.46 here. If anyone gets the chance to test it, I'd be > interested in any results. Works fine here on 1.45 now, many thanks - a column of pretty buttons down the left hand side...oooh.:-) Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Nov 12 23:08:48 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:08:48 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Hi folks, In message John-Mark Bell wrote: > In message <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > After copying !TexFonts.Utilities.AddToPath to the Run$Path, > > John-Mark's problem 1) is solved. > > > > Aha! Thanks for that, I hadn't noticed that being there ;) Still, it may > well be sensible to do something akin to what !gcc does: > > If "" = "" Then Set Run$Path ,TeXBin: > Set TeXBin$Path texmf:armtex.bin. > > As it saves the user having to put AddToPath somewhere sane ;) Well, I've tried messing about with both of these solutions and so far haven't managed to solve the AddToPath error, no doubt because of my own lack of skill. I would be grateful for a little more details as to exactly what to do to get this new distribution to work. Kind regards, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 14 10:58:30 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:58:30 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: In message David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > In message <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> > Richard Smith wrote: > > > In message > > John-Mark Bell wrote: > > > > > In message <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> > > > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > > > > > After copying !TexFonts.Utilities.AddToPath to the Run$Path, > > > > John-Mark's problem 1) is solved. > > > > > > Aha! Thanks for that, I hadn't noticed that being there ;) Still, it > > > may well be sensible to do something akin to what !gcc does: > > > > > > If "" = "" Then Set Run$Path ,TeXBin: Set > > > TeXBin$Path texmf:armtex.bin. > > > > > > As it saves the user having to put AddToPath somewhere sane ;) > > > > Well, I've tried messing about with both of these solutions and so far > > haven't managed to solve the AddToPath error, no doubt because of my own > > lack of skill. I would be grateful for a little more details as to > > exactly what to do to get this new distribution to work. > > It's difficult to know exactly what the problem is for you, but if you've > tried the two suggestions above and they don't work, I suggest you try > downloading Olly Betts's AddToPath utility that you can get from here: > > > > Copy it inside "$.!Boot.Library" and try re-booting both !TeX and !TeXFonts > (that is, re-run their !Boot files). Hopefully this will do the trick. OK, thanks very much for your suggestion. I tried !Boot.Library and that didn't work, but !Boot.Library.RiscOS did, in that it allowed the directory containing the new 32-bit ArmTeX to be opened without the AddtoPath error. However, trying to run any of my LaTeX files (which all have a big red cross through them!!) produces the error that an application that loads that sort of file hasn't been found, despite the new !TeX and !TeXFonts being visible in an open window at the time, plus (for good measure) being Filer_Booted too.:-) I tried putting the AddtoPath file from inside !TeXFonts.Utilities inside !Boot.Library.RiscOS instead - same result. Ho hum...I suppose this is meant to run on a Risc OS 4.39 Risc PC and not just on the Iyonix, is it...? > I've been meaning to make suitable changes to the original archives but > haven't yet got around to it. Perhaps best to wait for this. I still have the old armTeX which works OK, plus the old Graham Toal one kicking around somewhere... Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From lists at flypig.co.uk Sun Nov 14 15:09:58 2004 From: lists at flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:09:58 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: In message Richard Smith wrote: > In message > David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > [snip] > > It's difficult to know exactly what the problem is for you, but if you've > > tried the two suggestions above and they don't work, I suggest you try > > downloading Olly Betts's AddToPath utility that you can get from here: > > > > > > > > Copy it inside "$.!Boot.Library" and try re-booting both !TeX and > > !TeXFonts (that is, re-run their !Boot files). Hopefully this will do the > > trick. > > OK, thanks very much for your suggestion. I tried !Boot.Library and that > didn't work, but !Boot.Library.RiscOS did, in that it allowed the directory > containing the new 32-bit ArmTeX to be opened without the AddtoPath error. Sorry; I hadn't noticed you were using a RiscPC, and I'd forgotten that the RO 4 boot might be different. If you no longer get the error, it sounds like you've found the right place for AddtoPath! > However, trying to run any of my LaTeX files (which all have a big red > cross through them!!) produces the error that an application that loads > that sort of file hasn't been found, despite the new !TeX and !TeXFonts > being visible in an open window at the time, plus (for good measure) being > Filer_Booted too.:-) There is a good explanation for this: your files were probably created for an older version of armTeX. Since then, the file type assignment for TeX and LaTeX files has changed (I think they were changed when an official filetype was assigned to them). This is why there's a big cross through them! The new filetypes should not have this cross. You'll have to SetType all of your files again if you want them to work with this latest version of armTeX. To do this, click menu on each of your LaTeX files, follow the menu "File 'name' >" and then "Set type >" and enter "LaTeX" and hit return. Alternatively you can enter the new filetype number which is "ACA" (in hex) in the same way. You'll have to do something similar for any TeX files you have as well, changing them to "TeX" or "CE5". If you have a lot of files to do, I've placed a couple of utilities here that might make the process a bit easier: Just run the two applications contained in the archive and drag the files that need changing to the iconbar icons to change them to the correct type. > I tried putting the AddtoPath file from inside !TeXFonts.Utilities inside > !Boot.Library.RiscOS instead - same result. Yes, the two problems aren't related I'm afraid, so you'll have to make both the AddToPath and the SetType changes to get a fully working system with this latest release. With the official assignment of new filetypes, the latter change was inevitable I'm afraid, and the transition was always going to be a bit problematic. > Ho hum...I suppose this is meant to run on a Risc OS 4.39 Risc PC and not > just on the Iyonix, is it...? To be honest, although the 32-bit release *should* work on a RiscPC, it doesn't offer anything over the last 26-bit version (version 3). However, it sounds like you have an older version than that, so you'd be wise to upgrade to at least version 3. From a personal point of view it would also be nice to have confirmation that the new system does work on a RiscPC, if you can get it to work :) Regards, David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From sbellon at sbellon.de Sun Nov 14 11:55:46 2004 From: sbellon at sbellon.de (Stefan Bellon) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:55:46 +0100 Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <4d0db171efsbellon@sbellon.de> Richard Smith wrote: > However, trying to run any of my LaTeX files (which all have a big > red cross through them!!) The red cross indicates that they are typed wrongly. Those are the old filetypes that have been re-allocated to the new ones. That explains why you get the "No application that loads this filetype ..." error. Type the files appropriately and it should work. -- Stefan Bellon From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 14 17:09:09 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:09:09 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: In message David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: [snipping to tidy up a bit...] > There is a good explanation for this: your files were probably created for > an older version of armTeX. Since then, the file type assignment for TeX > and LaTeX files has changed (I think they were changed when an official > filetype was assigned to them). This is why there's a big cross through > them! The new filetypes should not have this cross. OK...right...I see that, although interestingly if I fire up my old armTeX old my LaTeX files (type &2a8) don't have a cross - presumably because the old armTex is supplying the filetype association. Thanks /very/ much for the settype utilities which work a dream, that was kind of you. [snip again] > From a personal point of view it would also be nice to have confirmation > that the new system does work on a RiscPC, if you can get it to work :) Me too.:-)) However, I'm still not quite there, but it's feeling closer.:-) Putting either Olly Betts's AddtoPath utility or the one in !TeXFonts.Utilities (but not both!) in !Boot.Library.RiscOS allows me to open the directory containing the new armTeX without the AddtoPath error, and changing the filetype removes the red cross OK... ...but trying to run any of them causes an error 'LaTeX may have gone wrong', which it is described as 'Abort on data transfer at &00008078'. Acknowledging this clear the error box and returns the computer to my control, but any subsequent attempt to run LaTeX locks the machine solid (every time), requiring a scrabble round the back and RESET to be pressed.:-(( (There's one reason to get an Iyonix - isn't the RESET button on the front?) Many thanks for your kind assistance so far - I'm keen to get the new version going too, so any further suggestions will be investigated with interest. Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From jmb202 at ecs.soton.ac.uk Sun Nov 14 17:43:51 2004 From: jmb202 at ecs.soton.ac.uk (John-Mark Bell) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:43:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Richard Smith wrote: [snip] > ...but trying to run any of them causes an error 'LaTeX may have gone wrong', > which it is described as 'Abort on data transfer at &00008078'. Acknowledging > this clear the error box and returns the computer to my control, but any > subsequent attempt to run LaTeX locks the machine solid (every time), > requiring a scrabble round the back and RESET to be pressed.:-(( I suspect this is caused by insufficient wimpslot being allocated for the executables. I posted this to csa.apps: > One other minor issue - the Wimpslot values in the TeX, LaTeX and Mf > obey files need increasing by 200k. To do this, simply *filer_opendir texbin: and open the LaTeX, Mf and TeX obey files in a text editor and increase the WimpSlot values by 200. > (There's one reason to get an Iyonix - isn't the RESET button on the > front?) It is. John. From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 14 23:21:20 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:21:20 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> In message John-Mark Bell wrote: > On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Richard Smith wrote: > > [snip] > > > ...but trying to run any of them causes an error 'LaTeX may have gone > > wrong', which it is described as 'Abort on data transfer at &00008078'. > > Acknowledging this clear the error box and returns the computer to my > > control, but any subsequent attempt to run LaTeX locks the machine solid > > (every time), requiring a scrabble round the back and RESET to be > > pressed.:-(( > > I suspect this is caused by insufficient wimpslot being allocated for the > executables. I posted this to csa.apps: > > > One other minor issue - the Wimpslot values in the TeX, LaTeX and Mf > > obey files need increasing by 200k. > > To do this, simply *filer_opendir texbin: and open the LaTeX, Mf and TeX > obey files in a text editor and increase the WimpSlot values by 200. Ah...I must have missed this. Thank you so much for repeating the information here, which has allowed it to COMPILE...YAY!! :-))) The filer_opendir texbin: didn't work but I found the files and increased the wimpslot as described. It's not finding my own style files, even though I've copied them into !TeX.texmf.local I thought at first it was because they were lacking the /sty extension, but adding that hasn't helped. Isn't that the right place for them? Big progress today - many thanks for all the helpful advice received. Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From lists at flypig.co.uk Mon Nov 15 00:07:42 2004 From: lists at flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:07:42 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> References: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> In message <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Richard Smith wrote: [snip] > It's not finding my own style files, even though I've copied them into > !TeX.texmf.local I thought at first it was because they were lacking the > /sty extension, but adding that hasn't helped. Isn't that the right place > for them? You've got the right place, but you also need to set up the 'local' directory with the same structure as the directories above it. So, you'll need to create 'tex.latex' folders inside your 'local' folder and place your /sty file inside there (assuming it's a latex style file). The final pathname should be something like: !TeX.texmf.local.tex.latex.mystyles/sty Incidentally, it will also pick up style files kept in the same folder as the LaTeX file being compiled, so if the above doesn't work, you should be able to do this instead. Hope this helps :) David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From lists at flypig.co.uk Sun Nov 14 19:02:41 2004 From: lists at flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:02:41 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX Message-ID: There were a number of teething problems with the original version of 32-bit armTeX I uploaded. I've now got around to sorting some of the issues out, and the new version is on the website: The fixes are as follows: - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more sensible way, - wimpslot increased to a suitable value, - new Zap TeX buttons installation procedure (part of BuTeX). For those still having trouble getting things to work it might be worth downloading this latest version. For simplicity there's no upgrade version (you have to download the whole lot again), but if anyone would find it easier (e.g. if you're on dialup), I'd be happy to create a very small upgrade archive. Just let me know. Thanks for all of the helpful suggestions and solutions that people have sent. David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Nov 17 19:41:01 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:41:01 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> References: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> Message-ID: <738c670f4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> In message <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > In message <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> > Richard Smith wrote: > [snip] > > It's not finding my own style files, even though I've copied them into > > !TeX.texmf.local I thought at first it was because they were lacking > > the /sty extension, but adding that hasn't helped. Isn't that the right > > place for them? > > You've got the right place, but you also need to set up the 'local' > directory with the same structure as the directories above it. > > So, you'll need to create 'tex.latex' folders inside your 'local' folder > and place your /sty file inside there (assuming it's a latex style file). > > The final pathname should be something like: > > !TeX.texmf.local.tex.latex.mystyles/sty > > Incidentally, it will also pick up style files kept in the same folder as > the LaTeX file being compiled, so if the above doesn't work, you should be > able to do this instead. > > Hope this helps :) It certainly did - all styles found now, many thanks.:-)) Regards, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Nov 17 19:39:46 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:46 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > There were a number of teething problems with the original version of > 32-bit armTeX I uploaded. I've now got around to sorting some of the issues > out, and the new version is on the website: Oooh, great! :-) Testing on a Risc OS 4.39 (Adjust) Risc PC then: > The fixes are as follows: > - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more > sensible way, This work fine here - many thanks.:-) > - wimpslot increased to a suitable value, Er...I think it's possible that this didn't make it into the final archive as I had a repeat of the crashing problem, and on checking the wimpslots in !TeX.texmf.armtex.bin I found that LaTeX, Mf and TeX were still as they were initially. I increased them by 200 (as recommended by JMB IIRC), and that seems to be OK now. > - new Zap TeX buttons installation procedure (part of BuTeX). I see this is for !Zap 1.46 which I gave up on a little while back and went back to 1.45 as I couldn't get any of the buttons to work. I tried adding your module in !ZapUser but it didn't work in 1.45...:-( On another note, for the sake of clarity am I right in assuming that !TeXFonts and !DVIview are unchanged in this release, please? Many thanks for providing this release - it seems to be compiling OK now.:-)) Regards, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From lists at flypig.co.uk Sun Nov 21 21:21:46 2004 From: lists at flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:21:46 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> In message Richard Smith wrote: > In message > David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > [snip] > > The fixes are as follows: > > - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more > > sensible way, > > This work fine here - many thanks.:-) Thanks for testing this all out, it's good to know that it's (finally) pretty much there :) > > - wimpslot increased to a suitable value, > > Er...I think it's possible that this didn't make it into the final archive > as I had a repeat of the crashing problem, and on checking the wimpslots in > !TeX.texmf.armtex.bin I found that LaTeX, Mf and TeX were still as they > were initially. I increased them by 200 (as recommended by JMB IIRC), and > that seems to be OK now. Ooops :( Sorry, somehow this must have got missed out; thanks greatly for pointing out the error. This really, honestly, should now be fixed ;) If you've already changed your own version, there's no need to download it all again, of course. > > - new Zap TeX buttons installation procedure (part of BuTeX). > > I see this is for !Zap 1.46 which I gave up on a little while back and went > back to 1.45 as I couldn't get any of the buttons to work. I tried adding > your module in !ZapUser but it didn't work in 1.45...:-( I think the structure of ZapUser (or rather the modules structure) has been changed between 1.45 and 1.46, which would explain this. I've put a new version of the buttons up with a 1.45 version in, although I can't test it as I'm running 1.46 here. If anyone gets the chance to test it, I'd be interested in any results. > On another note, for the sake of clarity am I right in assuming that > !TeXFonts and !DVIview are unchanged in this release, please? Yes, this is pretty much right. I think I may have changed some details in some of the help files, but nothing worth downloading 7 meg worth of stuff for. > Many thanks for providing this release - it seems to be compiling OK > now.:-)) Glad to hear it. Thanks for taking the time to respond to it! Cheers, David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 21 23:10:40 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:10:40 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX In-Reply-To: <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> References: <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> Message-ID: In message <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > In message > Richard Smith wrote: > > > In message > > David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > > > > > The fixes are as follows: > > > - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more > > > sensible way, > > > > This work fine here - many thanks.:-) > > Thanks for testing this all out, it's good to know that it's (finally) > pretty much there :) My pleasure.:-) > > > - wimpslot increased to a suitable value [snip] > Ooops :( Sorry, somehow this must have got missed out; thanks greatly for > pointing out the error. > > This really, honestly, should now be fixed ;) If you've already changed > your own version, there's no need to download it all again, of course. OK, I presume it's only increasing the WimpSlots in those three files, is it? > I think the structure of ZapUser (or rather the modules structure) has been > changed between 1.45 and 1.46, which would explain this. I've put a new > version of the buttons up with a 1.45 version in, although I can't test it > as I'm running 1.46 here. If anyone gets the chance to test it, I'd be > interested in any results. Works fine here on 1.45 now, many thanks - a column of pretty buttons down the left hand side...oooh.:-) Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Nov 12 23:08:48 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:08:48 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Hi folks, In message John-Mark Bell wrote: > In message <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > After copying !TexFonts.Utilities.AddToPath to the Run$Path, > > John-Mark's problem 1) is solved. > > > > Aha! Thanks for that, I hadn't noticed that being there ;) Still, it may > well be sensible to do something akin to what !gcc does: > > If "" = "" Then Set Run$Path ,TeXBin: > Set TeXBin$Path texmf:armtex.bin. > > As it saves the user having to put AddToPath somewhere sane ;) Well, I've tried messing about with both of these solutions and so far haven't managed to solve the AddToPath error, no doubt because of my own lack of skill. I would be grateful for a little more details as to exactly what to do to get this new distribution to work. Kind regards, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 14 10:58:30 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:58:30 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: In message David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > In message <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> > Richard Smith wrote: > > > In message > > John-Mark Bell wrote: > > > > > In message <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> > > > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > > > > > After copying !TexFonts.Utilities.AddToPath to the Run$Path, > > > > John-Mark's problem 1) is solved. > > > > > > Aha! Thanks for that, I hadn't noticed that being there ;) Still, it > > > may well be sensible to do something akin to what !gcc does: > > > > > > If "" = "" Then Set Run$Path ,TeXBin: Set > > > TeXBin$Path texmf:armtex.bin. > > > > > > As it saves the user having to put AddToPath somewhere sane ;) > > > > Well, I've tried messing about with both of these solutions and so far > > haven't managed to solve the AddToPath error, no doubt because of my own > > lack of skill. I would be grateful for a little more details as to > > exactly what to do to get this new distribution to work. > > It's difficult to know exactly what the problem is for you, but if you've > tried the two suggestions above and they don't work, I suggest you try > downloading Olly Betts's AddToPath utility that you can get from here: > > > > Copy it inside "$.!Boot.Library" and try re-booting both !TeX and !TeXFonts > (that is, re-run their !Boot files). Hopefully this will do the trick. OK, thanks very much for your suggestion. I tried !Boot.Library and that didn't work, but !Boot.Library.RiscOS did, in that it allowed the directory containing the new 32-bit ArmTeX to be opened without the AddtoPath error. However, trying to run any of my LaTeX files (which all have a big red cross through them!!) produces the error that an application that loads that sort of file hasn't been found, despite the new !TeX and !TeXFonts being visible in an open window at the time, plus (for good measure) being Filer_Booted too.:-) I tried putting the AddtoPath file from inside !TeXFonts.Utilities inside !Boot.Library.RiscOS instead - same result. Ho hum...I suppose this is meant to run on a Risc OS 4.39 Risc PC and not just on the Iyonix, is it...? > I've been meaning to make suitable changes to the original archives but > haven't yet got around to it. Perhaps best to wait for this. I still have the old armTeX which works OK, plus the old Graham Toal one kicking around somewhere... Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From lists at flypig.co.uk Sun Nov 14 15:09:58 2004 From: lists at flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:09:58 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: In message Richard Smith wrote: > In message > David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > [snip] > > It's difficult to know exactly what the problem is for you, but if you've > > tried the two suggestions above and they don't work, I suggest you try > > downloading Olly Betts's AddToPath utility that you can get from here: > > > > > > > > Copy it inside "$.!Boot.Library" and try re-booting both !TeX and > > !TeXFonts (that is, re-run their !Boot files). Hopefully this will do the > > trick. > > OK, thanks very much for your suggestion. I tried !Boot.Library and that > didn't work, but !Boot.Library.RiscOS did, in that it allowed the directory > containing the new 32-bit ArmTeX to be opened without the AddtoPath error. Sorry; I hadn't noticed you were using a RiscPC, and I'd forgotten that the RO 4 boot might be different. If you no longer get the error, it sounds like you've found the right place for AddtoPath! > However, trying to run any of my LaTeX files (which all have a big red > cross through them!!) produces the error that an application that loads > that sort of file hasn't been found, despite the new !TeX and !TeXFonts > being visible in an open window at the time, plus (for good measure) being > Filer_Booted too.:-) There is a good explanation for this: your files were probably created for an older version of armTeX. Since then, the file type assignment for TeX and LaTeX files has changed (I think they were changed when an official filetype was assigned to them). This is why there's a big cross through them! The new filetypes should not have this cross. You'll have to SetType all of your files again if you want them to work with this latest version of armTeX. To do this, click menu on each of your LaTeX files, follow the menu "File 'name' >" and then "Set type >" and enter "LaTeX" and hit return. Alternatively you can enter the new filetype number which is "ACA" (in hex) in the same way. You'll have to do something similar for any TeX files you have as well, changing them to "TeX" or "CE5". If you have a lot of files to do, I've placed a couple of utilities here that might make the process a bit easier: Just run the two applications contained in the archive and drag the files that need changing to the iconbar icons to change them to the correct type. > I tried putting the AddtoPath file from inside !TeXFonts.Utilities inside > !Boot.Library.RiscOS instead - same result. Yes, the two problems aren't related I'm afraid, so you'll have to make both the AddToPath and the SetType changes to get a fully working system with this latest release. With the official assignment of new filetypes, the latter change was inevitable I'm afraid, and the transition was always going to be a bit problematic. > Ho hum...I suppose this is meant to run on a Risc OS 4.39 Risc PC and not > just on the Iyonix, is it...? To be honest, although the 32-bit release *should* work on a RiscPC, it doesn't offer anything over the last 26-bit version (version 3). However, it sounds like you have an older version than that, so you'd be wise to upgrade to at least version 3. From a personal point of view it would also be nice to have confirmation that the new system does work on a RiscPC, if you can get it to work :) Regards, David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From sbellon at sbellon.de Sun Nov 14 11:55:46 2004 From: sbellon at sbellon.de (Stefan Bellon) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:55:46 +0100 Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <4d0db171efsbellon@sbellon.de> Richard Smith wrote: > However, trying to run any of my LaTeX files (which all have a big > red cross through them!!) The red cross indicates that they are typed wrongly. Those are the old filetypes that have been re-allocated to the new ones. That explains why you get the "No application that loads this filetype ..." error. Type the files appropriately and it should work. -- Stefan Bellon From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 14 17:09:09 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:09:09 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: In message David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: [snipping to tidy up a bit...] > There is a good explanation for this: your files were probably created for > an older version of armTeX. Since then, the file type assignment for TeX > and LaTeX files has changed (I think they were changed when an official > filetype was assigned to them). This is why there's a big cross through > them! The new filetypes should not have this cross. OK...right...I see that, although interestingly if I fire up my old armTeX old my LaTeX files (type &2a8) don't have a cross - presumably because the old armTex is supplying the filetype association. Thanks /very/ much for the settype utilities which work a dream, that was kind of you. [snip again] > From a personal point of view it would also be nice to have confirmation > that the new system does work on a RiscPC, if you can get it to work :) Me too.:-)) However, I'm still not quite there, but it's feeling closer.:-) Putting either Olly Betts's AddtoPath utility or the one in !TeXFonts.Utilities (but not both!) in !Boot.Library.RiscOS allows me to open the directory containing the new armTeX without the AddtoPath error, and changing the filetype removes the red cross OK... ...but trying to run any of them causes an error 'LaTeX may have gone wrong', which it is described as 'Abort on data transfer at &00008078'. Acknowledging this clear the error box and returns the computer to my control, but any subsequent attempt to run LaTeX locks the machine solid (every time), requiring a scrabble round the back and RESET to be pressed.:-(( (There's one reason to get an Iyonix - isn't the RESET button on the front?) Many thanks for your kind assistance so far - I'm keen to get the new version going too, so any further suggestions will be investigated with interest. Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From jmb202 at ecs.soton.ac.uk Sun Nov 14 17:43:51 2004 From: jmb202 at ecs.soton.ac.uk (John-Mark Bell) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:43:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Richard Smith wrote: [snip] > ...but trying to run any of them causes an error 'LaTeX may have gone wrong', > which it is described as 'Abort on data transfer at &00008078'. Acknowledging > this clear the error box and returns the computer to my control, but any > subsequent attempt to run LaTeX locks the machine solid (every time), > requiring a scrabble round the back and RESET to be pressed.:-(( I suspect this is caused by insufficient wimpslot being allocated for the executables. I posted this to csa.apps: > One other minor issue - the Wimpslot values in the TeX, LaTeX and Mf > obey files need increasing by 200k. To do this, simply *filer_opendir texbin: and open the LaTeX, Mf and TeX obey files in a text editor and increase the WimpSlot values by 200. > (There's one reason to get an Iyonix - isn't the RESET button on the > front?) It is. John. From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 14 23:21:20 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:21:20 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> In message John-Mark Bell wrote: > On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Richard Smith wrote: > > [snip] > > > ...but trying to run any of them causes an error 'LaTeX may have gone > > wrong', which it is described as 'Abort on data transfer at &00008078'. > > Acknowledging this clear the error box and returns the computer to my > > control, but any subsequent attempt to run LaTeX locks the machine solid > > (every time), requiring a scrabble round the back and RESET to be > > pressed.:-(( > > I suspect this is caused by insufficient wimpslot being allocated for the > executables. I posted this to csa.apps: > > > One other minor issue - the Wimpslot values in the TeX, LaTeX and Mf > > obey files need increasing by 200k. > > To do this, simply *filer_opendir texbin: and open the LaTeX, Mf and TeX > obey files in a text editor and increase the WimpSlot values by 200. Ah...I must have missed this. Thank you so much for repeating the information here, which has allowed it to COMPILE...YAY!! :-))) The filer_opendir texbin: didn't work but I found the files and increased the wimpslot as described. It's not finding my own style files, even though I've copied them into !TeX.texmf.local I thought at first it was because they were lacking the /sty extension, but adding that hasn't helped. Isn't that the right place for them? Big progress today - many thanks for all the helpful advice received. Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From lists at flypig.co.uk Mon Nov 15 00:07:42 2004 From: lists at flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:07:42 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> References: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> In message <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Richard Smith wrote: [snip] > It's not finding my own style files, even though I've copied them into > !TeX.texmf.local I thought at first it was because they were lacking the > /sty extension, but adding that hasn't helped. Isn't that the right place > for them? You've got the right place, but you also need to set up the 'local' directory with the same structure as the directories above it. So, you'll need to create 'tex.latex' folders inside your 'local' folder and place your /sty file inside there (assuming it's a latex style file). The final pathname should be something like: !TeX.texmf.local.tex.latex.mystyles/sty Incidentally, it will also pick up style files kept in the same folder as the LaTeX file being compiled, so if the above doesn't work, you should be able to do this instead. Hope this helps :) David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From lists at flypig.co.uk Sun Nov 14 19:02:41 2004 From: lists at flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:02:41 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX Message-ID: There were a number of teething problems with the original version of 32-bit armTeX I uploaded. I've now got around to sorting some of the issues out, and the new version is on the website: The fixes are as follows: - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more sensible way, - wimpslot increased to a suitable value, - new Zap TeX buttons installation procedure (part of BuTeX). For those still having trouble getting things to work it might be worth downloading this latest version. For simplicity there's no upgrade version (you have to download the whole lot again), but if anyone would find it easier (e.g. if you're on dialup), I'd be happy to create a very small upgrade archive. Just let me know. Thanks for all of the helpful suggestions and solutions that people have sent. David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Nov 17 19:41:01 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:41:01 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> References: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> Message-ID: <738c670f4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> In message <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > In message <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> > Richard Smith wrote: > [snip] > > It's not finding my own style files, even though I've copied them into > > !TeX.texmf.local I thought at first it was because they were lacking > > the /sty extension, but adding that hasn't helped. Isn't that the right > > place for them? > > You've got the right place, but you also need to set up the 'local' > directory with the same structure as the directories above it. > > So, you'll need to create 'tex.latex' folders inside your 'local' folder > and place your /sty file inside there (assuming it's a latex style file). > > The final pathname should be something like: > > !TeX.texmf.local.tex.latex.mystyles/sty > > Incidentally, it will also pick up style files kept in the same folder as > the LaTeX file being compiled, so if the above doesn't work, you should be > able to do this instead. > > Hope this helps :) It certainly did - all styles found now, many thanks.:-)) Regards, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Nov 17 19:39:46 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:46 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > There were a number of teething problems with the original version of > 32-bit armTeX I uploaded. I've now got around to sorting some of the issues > out, and the new version is on the website: Oooh, great! :-) Testing on a Risc OS 4.39 (Adjust) Risc PC then: > The fixes are as follows: > - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more > sensible way, This work fine here - many thanks.:-) > - wimpslot increased to a suitable value, Er...I think it's possible that this didn't make it into the final archive as I had a repeat of the crashing problem, and on checking the wimpslots in !TeX.texmf.armtex.bin I found that LaTeX, Mf and TeX were still as they were initially. I increased them by 200 (as recommended by JMB IIRC), and that seems to be OK now. > - new Zap TeX buttons installation procedure (part of BuTeX). I see this is for !Zap 1.46 which I gave up on a little while back and went back to 1.45 as I couldn't get any of the buttons to work. I tried adding your module in !ZapUser but it didn't work in 1.45...:-( On another note, for the sake of clarity am I right in assuming that !TeXFonts and !DVIview are unchanged in this release, please? Many thanks for providing this release - it seems to be compiling OK now.:-)) Regards, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From lists at flypig.co.uk Sun Nov 21 21:21:46 2004 From: lists at flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:21:46 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> In message Richard Smith wrote: > In message > David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > [snip] > > The fixes are as follows: > > - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more > > sensible way, > > This work fine here - many thanks.:-) Thanks for testing this all out, it's good to know that it's (finally) pretty much there :) > > - wimpslot increased to a suitable value, > > Er...I think it's possible that this didn't make it into the final archive > as I had a repeat of the crashing problem, and on checking the wimpslots in > !TeX.texmf.armtex.bin I found that LaTeX, Mf and TeX were still as they > were initially. I increased them by 200 (as recommended by JMB IIRC), and > that seems to be OK now. Ooops :( Sorry, somehow this must have got missed out; thanks greatly for pointing out the error. This really, honestly, should now be fixed ;) If you've already changed your own version, there's no need to download it all again, of course. > > - new Zap TeX buttons installation procedure (part of BuTeX). > > I see this is for !Zap 1.46 which I gave up on a little while back and went > back to 1.45 as I couldn't get any of the buttons to work. I tried adding > your module in !ZapUser but it didn't work in 1.45...:-( I think the structure of ZapUser (or rather the modules structure) has been changed between 1.45 and 1.46, which would explain this. I've put a new version of the buttons up with a 1.45 version in, although I can't test it as I'm running 1.46 here. If anyone gets the chance to test it, I'd be interested in any results. > On another note, for the sake of clarity am I right in assuming that > !TeXFonts and !DVIview are unchanged in this release, please? Yes, this is pretty much right. I think I may have changed some details in some of the help files, but nothing worth downloading 7 meg worth of stuff for. > Many thanks for providing this release - it seems to be compiling OK > now.:-)) Glad to hear it. Thanks for taking the time to respond to it! Cheers, David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 21 23:10:40 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:10:40 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX In-Reply-To: <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> References: <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> Message-ID: In message <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > In message > Richard Smith wrote: > > > In message > > David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > > > > > The fixes are as follows: > > > - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more > > > sensible way, > > > > This work fine here - many thanks.:-) > > Thanks for testing this all out, it's good to know that it's (finally) > pretty much there :) My pleasure.:-) > > > - wimpslot increased to a suitable value [snip] > Ooops :( Sorry, somehow this must have got missed out; thanks greatly for > pointing out the error. > > This really, honestly, should now be fixed ;) If you've already changed > your own version, there's no need to download it all again, of course. OK, I presume it's only increasing the WimpSlots in those three files, is it? > I think the structure of ZapUser (or rather the modules structure) has been > changed between 1.45 and 1.46, which would explain this. I've put a new > version of the buttons up with a 1.45 version in, although I can't test it > as I'm running 1.46 here. If anyone gets the chance to test it, I'd be > interested in any results. Works fine here on 1.45 now, many thanks - a column of pretty buttons down the left hand side...oooh.:-) Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Fri Nov 12 23:08:48 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Fri, 12 Nov 2004 23:08:48 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> Message-ID: <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Hi folks, In message John-Mark Bell wrote: > In message <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > After copying !TexFonts.Utilities.AddToPath to the Run$Path, > > John-Mark's problem 1) is solved. > > > > Aha! Thanks for that, I hadn't noticed that being there ;) Still, it may > well be sensible to do something akin to what !gcc does: > > If "" = "" Then Set Run$Path ,TeXBin: > Set TeXBin$Path texmf:armtex.bin. > > As it saves the user having to put AddToPath somewhere sane ;) Well, I've tried messing about with both of these solutions and so far haven't managed to solve the AddToPath error, no doubt because of my own lack of skill. I would be grateful for a little more details as to exactly what to do to get this new distribution to work. Kind regards, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 14 10:58:30 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 10:58:30 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: In message David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > In message <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> > Richard Smith wrote: > > > In message > > John-Mark Bell wrote: > > > > > In message <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> > > > Stefan Bellon wrote: > > > > > > > After copying !TexFonts.Utilities.AddToPath to the Run$Path, > > > > John-Mark's problem 1) is solved. > > > > > > Aha! Thanks for that, I hadn't noticed that being there ;) Still, it > > > may well be sensible to do something akin to what !gcc does: > > > > > > If "" = "" Then Set Run$Path ,TeXBin: Set > > > TeXBin$Path texmf:armtex.bin. > > > > > > As it saves the user having to put AddToPath somewhere sane ;) > > > > Well, I've tried messing about with both of these solutions and so far > > haven't managed to solve the AddToPath error, no doubt because of my own > > lack of skill. I would be grateful for a little more details as to > > exactly what to do to get this new distribution to work. > > It's difficult to know exactly what the problem is for you, but if you've > tried the two suggestions above and they don't work, I suggest you try > downloading Olly Betts's AddToPath utility that you can get from here: > > > > Copy it inside "$.!Boot.Library" and try re-booting both !TeX and !TeXFonts > (that is, re-run their !Boot files). Hopefully this will do the trick. OK, thanks very much for your suggestion. I tried !Boot.Library and that didn't work, but !Boot.Library.RiscOS did, in that it allowed the directory containing the new 32-bit ArmTeX to be opened without the AddtoPath error. However, trying to run any of my LaTeX files (which all have a big red cross through them!!) produces the error that an application that loads that sort of file hasn't been found, despite the new !TeX and !TeXFonts being visible in an open window at the time, plus (for good measure) being Filer_Booted too.:-) I tried putting the AddtoPath file from inside !TeXFonts.Utilities inside !Boot.Library.RiscOS instead - same result. Ho hum...I suppose this is meant to run on a Risc OS 4.39 Risc PC and not just on the Iyonix, is it...? > I've been meaning to make suitable changes to the original archives but > haven't yet got around to it. Perhaps best to wait for this. I still have the old armTeX which works OK, plus the old Graham Toal one kicking around somewhere... Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From lists at flypig.co.uk Sun Nov 14 15:09:58 2004 From: lists at flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 15:09:58 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: In message Richard Smith wrote: > In message > David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > [snip] > > It's difficult to know exactly what the problem is for you, but if you've > > tried the two suggestions above and they don't work, I suggest you try > > downloading Olly Betts's AddToPath utility that you can get from here: > > > > > > > > Copy it inside "$.!Boot.Library" and try re-booting both !TeX and > > !TeXFonts (that is, re-run their !Boot files). Hopefully this will do the > > trick. > > OK, thanks very much for your suggestion. I tried !Boot.Library and that > didn't work, but !Boot.Library.RiscOS did, in that it allowed the directory > containing the new 32-bit ArmTeX to be opened without the AddtoPath error. Sorry; I hadn't noticed you were using a RiscPC, and I'd forgotten that the RO 4 boot might be different. If you no longer get the error, it sounds like you've found the right place for AddtoPath! > However, trying to run any of my LaTeX files (which all have a big red > cross through them!!) produces the error that an application that loads > that sort of file hasn't been found, despite the new !TeX and !TeXFonts > being visible in an open window at the time, plus (for good measure) being > Filer_Booted too.:-) There is a good explanation for this: your files were probably created for an older version of armTeX. Since then, the file type assignment for TeX and LaTeX files has changed (I think they were changed when an official filetype was assigned to them). This is why there's a big cross through them! The new filetypes should not have this cross. You'll have to SetType all of your files again if you want them to work with this latest version of armTeX. To do this, click menu on each of your LaTeX files, follow the menu "File 'name' >" and then "Set type >" and enter "LaTeX" and hit return. Alternatively you can enter the new filetype number which is "ACA" (in hex) in the same way. You'll have to do something similar for any TeX files you have as well, changing them to "TeX" or "CE5". If you have a lot of files to do, I've placed a couple of utilities here that might make the process a bit easier: Just run the two applications contained in the archive and drag the files that need changing to the iconbar icons to change them to the correct type. > I tried putting the AddtoPath file from inside !TeXFonts.Utilities inside > !Boot.Library.RiscOS instead - same result. Yes, the two problems aren't related I'm afraid, so you'll have to make both the AddToPath and the SetType changes to get a fully working system with this latest release. With the official assignment of new filetypes, the latter change was inevitable I'm afraid, and the transition was always going to be a bit problematic. > Ho hum...I suppose this is meant to run on a Risc OS 4.39 Risc PC and not > just on the Iyonix, is it...? To be honest, although the 32-bit release *should* work on a RiscPC, it doesn't offer anything over the last 26-bit version (version 3). However, it sounds like you have an older version than that, so you'd be wise to upgrade to at least version 3. From a personal point of view it would also be nice to have confirmation that the new system does work on a RiscPC, if you can get it to work :) Regards, David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From sbellon at sbellon.de Sun Nov 14 11:55:46 2004 From: sbellon at sbellon.de (Stefan Bellon) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 12:55:46 +0100 Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <4d0db171efsbellon@sbellon.de> Richard Smith wrote: > However, trying to run any of my LaTeX files (which all have a big > red cross through them!!) The red cross indicates that they are typed wrongly. Those are the old filetypes that have been re-allocated to the new ones. That explains why you get the "No application that loads this filetype ..." error. Type the files appropriately and it should work. -- Stefan Bellon From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 14 17:09:09 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:09:09 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: <3abd5b0a4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> <4d0ad44f7fsbellon@sbellon.de> <3f64e70c4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: In message David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: [snipping to tidy up a bit...] > There is a good explanation for this: your files were probably created for > an older version of armTeX. Since then, the file type assignment for TeX > and LaTeX files has changed (I think they were changed when an official > filetype was assigned to them). This is why there's a big cross through > them! The new filetypes should not have this cross. OK...right...I see that, although interestingly if I fire up my old armTeX old my LaTeX files (type &2a8) don't have a cross - presumably because the old armTex is supplying the filetype association. Thanks /very/ much for the settype utilities which work a dream, that was kind of you. [snip again] > From a personal point of view it would also be nice to have confirmation > that the new system does work on a RiscPC, if you can get it to work :) Me too.:-)) However, I'm still not quite there, but it's feeling closer.:-) Putting either Olly Betts's AddtoPath utility or the one in !TeXFonts.Utilities (but not both!) in !Boot.Library.RiscOS allows me to open the directory containing the new armTeX without the AddtoPath error, and changing the filetype removes the red cross OK... ...but trying to run any of them causes an error 'LaTeX may have gone wrong', which it is described as 'Abort on data transfer at &00008078'. Acknowledging this clear the error box and returns the computer to my control, but any subsequent attempt to run LaTeX locks the machine solid (every time), requiring a scrabble round the back and RESET to be pressed.:-(( (There's one reason to get an Iyonix - isn't the RESET button on the front?) Many thanks for your kind assistance so far - I'm keen to get the new version going too, so any further suggestions will be investigated with interest. Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From jmb202 at ecs.soton.ac.uk Sun Nov 14 17:43:51 2004 From: jmb202 at ecs.soton.ac.uk (John-Mark Bell) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 17:43:51 +0000 (GMT) Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Richard Smith wrote: [snip] > ...but trying to run any of them causes an error 'LaTeX may have gone wrong', > which it is described as 'Abort on data transfer at &00008078'. Acknowledging > this clear the error box and returns the computer to my control, but any > subsequent attempt to run LaTeX locks the machine solid (every time), > requiring a scrabble round the back and RESET to be pressed.:-(( I suspect this is caused by insufficient wimpslot being allocated for the executables. I posted this to csa.apps: > One other minor issue - the Wimpslot values in the TeX, LaTeX and Mf > obey files need increasing by 200k. To do this, simply *filer_opendir texbin: and open the LaTeX, Mf and TeX obey files in a text editor and increase the WimpSlot values by 200. > (There's one reason to get an Iyonix - isn't the RESET button on the > front?) It is. John. From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 14 23:21:20 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 23:21:20 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> In message John-Mark Bell wrote: > On Sun, 14 Nov 2004, Richard Smith wrote: > > [snip] > > > ...but trying to run any of them causes an error 'LaTeX may have gone > > wrong', which it is described as 'Abort on data transfer at &00008078'. > > Acknowledging this clear the error box and returns the computer to my > > control, but any subsequent attempt to run LaTeX locks the machine solid > > (every time), requiring a scrabble round the back and RESET to be > > pressed.:-(( > > I suspect this is caused by insufficient wimpslot being allocated for the > executables. I posted this to csa.apps: > > > One other minor issue - the Wimpslot values in the TeX, LaTeX and Mf > > obey files need increasing by 200k. > > To do this, simply *filer_opendir texbin: and open the LaTeX, Mf and TeX > obey files in a text editor and increase the WimpSlot values by 200. Ah...I must have missed this. Thank you so much for repeating the information here, which has allowed it to COMPILE...YAY!! :-))) The filer_opendir texbin: didn't work but I found the files and increased the wimpslot as described. It's not finding my own style files, even though I've copied them into !TeX.texmf.local I thought at first it was because they were lacking the /sty extension, but adding that hasn't helped. Isn't that the right place for them? Big progress today - many thanks for all the helpful advice received. Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From lists at flypig.co.uk Mon Nov 15 00:07:42 2004 From: lists at flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2004 00:07:42 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> References: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Message-ID: <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> In message <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> Richard Smith wrote: [snip] > It's not finding my own style files, even though I've copied them into > !TeX.texmf.local I thought at first it was because they were lacking the > /sty extension, but adding that hasn't helped. Isn't that the right place > for them? You've got the right place, but you also need to set up the 'local' directory with the same structure as the directories above it. So, you'll need to create 'tex.latex' folders inside your 'local' folder and place your /sty file inside there (assuming it's a latex style file). The final pathname should be something like: !TeX.texmf.local.tex.latex.mystyles/sty Incidentally, it will also pick up style files kept in the same folder as the LaTeX file being compiled, so if the above doesn't work, you should be able to do this instead. Hope this helps :) David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From lists at flypig.co.uk Sun Nov 14 19:02:41 2004 From: lists at flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Sun, 14 Nov 2004 19:02:41 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX Message-ID: There were a number of teething problems with the original version of 32-bit armTeX I uploaded. I've now got around to sorting some of the issues out, and the new version is on the website: The fixes are as follows: - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more sensible way, - wimpslot increased to a suitable value, - new Zap TeX buttons installation procedure (part of BuTeX). For those still having trouble getting things to work it might be worth downloading this latest version. For simplicity there's no upgrade version (you have to download the whole lot again), but if anyone would find it easier (e.g. if you're on dialup), I'd be happy to create a very small upgrade archive. Just let me know. Thanks for all of the helpful suggestions and solutions that people have sent. David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Nov 17 19:41:01 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:41:01 GMT Subject: Add to Path problem: (was Re: 32-bit LaTeX) In-Reply-To: <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> References: <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> Message-ID: <738c670f4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> In message <9d74f40d4d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > In message <0936f00d4d.Richard@risctex.blueyonder.co.uk> > Richard Smith wrote: > [snip] > > It's not finding my own style files, even though I've copied them into > > !TeX.texmf.local I thought at first it was because they were lacking > > the /sty extension, but adding that hasn't helped. Isn't that the right > > place for them? > > You've got the right place, but you also need to set up the 'local' > directory with the same structure as the directories above it. > > So, you'll need to create 'tex.latex' folders inside your 'local' folder > and place your /sty file inside there (assuming it's a latex style file). > > The final pathname should be something like: > > !TeX.texmf.local.tex.latex.mystyles/sty > > Incidentally, it will also pick up style files kept in the same folder as > the LaTeX file being compiled, so if the above doesn't work, you should be > able to do this instead. > > Hope this helps :) It certainly did - all styles found now, many thanks.:-)) Regards, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Wed Nov 17 19:39:46 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Wed, 17 Nov 2004 19:39:46 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: In message David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > There were a number of teething problems with the original version of > 32-bit armTeX I uploaded. I've now got around to sorting some of the issues > out, and the new version is on the website: Oooh, great! :-) Testing on a Risc OS 4.39 (Adjust) Risc PC then: > The fixes are as follows: > - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more > sensible way, This work fine here - many thanks.:-) > - wimpslot increased to a suitable value, Er...I think it's possible that this didn't make it into the final archive as I had a repeat of the crashing problem, and on checking the wimpslots in !TeX.texmf.armtex.bin I found that LaTeX, Mf and TeX were still as they were initially. I increased them by 200 (as recommended by JMB IIRC), and that seems to be OK now. > - new Zap TeX buttons installation procedure (part of BuTeX). I see this is for !Zap 1.46 which I gave up on a little while back and went back to 1.45 as I couldn't get any of the buttons to work. I tried adding your module in !ZapUser but it didn't work in 1.45...:-( On another note, for the sake of clarity am I right in assuming that !TeXFonts and !DVIview are unchanged in this release, please? Many thanks for providing this release - it seems to be compiling OK now.:-)) Regards, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ From lists at flypig.co.uk Sun Nov 21 21:21:46 2004 From: lists at flypig.co.uk (David Llewellyn-Jones) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 21:21:46 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> In message Richard Smith wrote: > In message > David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > [snip] > > The fixes are as follows: > > - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more > > sensible way, > > This work fine here - many thanks.:-) Thanks for testing this all out, it's good to know that it's (finally) pretty much there :) > > - wimpslot increased to a suitable value, > > Er...I think it's possible that this didn't make it into the final archive > as I had a repeat of the crashing problem, and on checking the wimpslots in > !TeX.texmf.armtex.bin I found that LaTeX, Mf and TeX were still as they > were initially. I increased them by 200 (as recommended by JMB IIRC), and > that seems to be OK now. Ooops :( Sorry, somehow this must have got missed out; thanks greatly for pointing out the error. This really, honestly, should now be fixed ;) If you've already changed your own version, there's no need to download it all again, of course. > > - new Zap TeX buttons installation procedure (part of BuTeX). > > I see this is for !Zap 1.46 which I gave up on a little while back and went > back to 1.45 as I couldn't get any of the buttons to work. I tried adding > your module in !ZapUser but it didn't work in 1.45...:-( I think the structure of ZapUser (or rather the modules structure) has been changed between 1.45 and 1.46, which would explain this. I've put a new version of the buttons up with a 1.45 version in, although I can't test it as I'm running 1.46 here. If anyone gets the chance to test it, I'd be interested in any results. > On another note, for the sake of clarity am I right in assuming that > !TeXFonts and !DVIview are unchanged in this release, please? Yes, this is pretty much right. I think I may have changed some details in some of the help files, but nothing worth downloading 7 meg worth of stuff for. > Many thanks for providing this release - it seems to be compiling OK > now.:-)) Glad to hear it. Thanks for taking the time to respond to it! Cheers, David -- Website: http://www.flypig.co.uk From risctex at blueyonder.co.uk Sun Nov 21 23:10:40 2004 From: risctex at blueyonder.co.uk (Richard Smith) Date: Sun, 21 Nov 2004 23:10:40 GMT Subject: Updated armTeX In-Reply-To: <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> References: <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> Message-ID: In message <7e1d80114d.llewelld@flypig.e7even.com> David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > In message > Richard Smith wrote: > > > In message > > David Llewellyn-Jones wrote: > > > > > The fixes are as follows: > > > - AddToPath utility is now included with the distribution in a more > > > sensible way, > > > > This work fine here - many thanks.:-) > > Thanks for testing this all out, it's good to know that it's (finally) > pretty much there :) My pleasure.:-) > > > - wimpslot increased to a suitable value [snip] > Ooops :( Sorry, somehow this must have got missed out; thanks greatly for > pointing out the error. > > This really, honestly, should now be fixed ;) If you've already changed > your own version, there's no need to download it all again, of course. OK, I presume it's only increasing the WimpSlots in those three files, is it? > I think the structure of ZapUser (or rather the modules structure) has been > changed between 1.45 and 1.46, which would explain this. I've put a new > version of the buttons up with a 1.45 version in, although I can't test it > as I'm running 1.46 here. If anyone gets the chance to test it, I'd be > interested in any results. Works fine here on 1.45 now, many thanks - a column of pretty buttons down the left hand side...oooh.:-) Best wishes, Richard -- /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\ Richard Smith Please reply to: risctex@blueyonder.co.uk Acorn StrongARM Risc PC http://www.risctex.freeuk.com /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\