From manuel.montezelo at gmail.com  Fri Aug  2 16:15:51 2013
From: manuel.montezelo at gmail.com (Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo)
Date: Fri, 2 Aug 2013 16:15:51 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Travelling the UK in August, meet up?
In-Reply-To: <m2wqo9t8c7.fsf@rahvafeir.err.no>
References: <m2wqo9t8c7.fsf@rahvafeir.err.no>
Message-ID: <CAPQ4b8msRHea7OP5sJnzZLHORsK_hOx25jeL48DPikUST1ynZQ@mail.gmail.com>

2013/7/29 Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen at err.no>:
>
> Hiya,
>
> Karianne and I will be travelling a bit around the UK in August and it'd
> be great to meet up and say hi to folks.
>
> Our plan is (all August):
>
> - 11th: Cambridge
> - 12th: Oxford/Banbury
> - 13-15th: Around Wales
> - 16th: York
> - 17th: Newcastle
> - 18th-21st: Castleton (for LBW)
>
> We already have arrangements to meet up with some folks at some of the
> places, but if you want to come say hi, please just respond and we'll
> find a suitable venue, most likely a pub. :-)

Did you already organise something in Cambridge?


Cheers.
-- 
Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo <manuel.montezelo at gmail.com>


From tfheen at err.no  Tue Aug  6 21:47:28 2013
From: tfheen at err.no (Tollef Fog Heen)
Date: Tue, 06 Aug 2013 22:47:28 +0200
Subject: [Debian-uk] Travelling the UK in August, meet up?
In-Reply-To: <CAPQ4b8msRHea7OP5sJnzZLHORsK_hOx25jeL48DPikUST1ynZQ@mail.gmail.com>
	(Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo's message of "Fri, 2 Aug 2013 16:15:51
	+0100")
References: <m2wqo9t8c7.fsf@rahvafeir.err.no>
	<CAPQ4b8msRHea7OP5sJnzZLHORsK_hOx25jeL48DPikUST1ynZQ@mail.gmail.com>
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]] "Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo" 

> Did you already organise something in Cambridge?

The current plan is Steve's for a test BBQ if the BBQ is ready by then,
else a nearby pub.  Steve, can you tell which one you were thinking of?

-- 
Tollef Fog Heen
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are


From steve at einval.com  Wed Aug  7 13:52:48 2013
From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 13:52:48 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Travelling the UK in August, meet up?
In-Reply-To: <m24nb2r1gf.fsf@rahvafeir.err.no>
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	<m24nb2r1gf.fsf@rahvafeir.err.no>
Message-ID: <20130807125248.GA19133@einval.com>

On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 10:47:28PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>]] "Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo" 
>
>> Did you already organise something in Cambridge?
>
>The current plan is Steve's for a test BBQ if the BBQ is ready by then,
>else a nearby pub.  Steve, can you tell which one you were thinking of?

I was thinking of the Green Dragon:

  http://gkpubs.co.uk/pubs-in-cambridge/green-dragon-pub/

it's ~5-10 minutes walk from my place. The BBQ is progressing, but
slowly... :-/

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve at einval.com
"The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that
 English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on
 occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them
 unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary."  -- James D. Nicoll



From manuel.montezelo at gmail.com  Wed Aug  7 15:31:46 2013
From: manuel.montezelo at gmail.com (Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo)
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2013 15:31:46 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Travelling the UK in August, meet up?
In-Reply-To: <20130807125248.GA19133@einval.com>
References: <m2wqo9t8c7.fsf@rahvafeir.err.no>
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	<m24nb2r1gf.fsf@rahvafeir.err.no>
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2013/8/7 Steve McIntyre <steve at einval.com>:
> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 10:47:28PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>>]] "Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo"
>>
>>> Did you already organise something in Cambridge?
>>
>>The current plan is Steve's for a test BBQ if the BBQ is ready by then,
>>else a nearby pub.  Steve, can you tell which one you were thinking of?
>
> I was thinking of the Green Dragon:
>
>   http://gkpubs.co.uk/pubs-in-cambridge/green-dragon-pub/
>
> it's ~5-10 minutes walk from my place. The BBQ is progressing, but
> slowly... :-/

Ah OK.

Please post time and so on when you decide which place -- I will pop
up if I can.


Cheers.
-- 
Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo <manuel.montezelo at gmail.com>


From matthew at debian.org  Fri Aug  9 08:55:34 2013
From: matthew at debian.org (Matthew Vernon)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 08:55:34 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Travelling the UK in August, meet up?
In-Reply-To: <CAPQ4b8ndmnF-AzTCw+DV_HbNfZ_C8k=NJXCO5suneXM7ezeB2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <m2wqo9t8c7.fsf@rahvafeir.err.no>
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On 07/08/13 15:31, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo wrote:
> 2013/8/7 Steve McIntyre <steve at einval.com>:
>> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 10:47:28PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>>> ]] "Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo"
>>>
>>>> Did you already organise something in Cambridge?
>>>
>>> The current plan is Steve's for a test BBQ if the BBQ is ready by then,
>>> else a nearby pub.  Steve, can you tell which one you were thinking of?
>>
>> I was thinking of the Green Dragon:
>>
>>    http://gkpubs.co.uk/pubs-in-cambridge/green-dragon-pub/
>>
>> it's ~5-10 minutes walk from my place. The BBQ is progressing, but
>> slowly... :-/
>
> Ah OK.
>
> Please post time and so on when you decide which place -- I will pop
> up if I can.

+1 ; we have visitors on Sunday, but I'm expecting them to be gone by 
mid-afternoon.

Regards,

Matthew



From tfheen at err.no  Fri Aug  9 09:21:14 2013
From: tfheen at err.no (Tollef Fog Heen)
Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2013 10:21:14 +0200
Subject: [Debian-uk] Travelling the UK in August, meet up?
In-Reply-To: <5204A076.7050302@debian.org> (Matthew Vernon's message of "Fri, 
	09 Aug 2013 08:55:34 +0100")
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	<5204A076.7050302@debian.org>
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]] Matthew Vernon 

> On 07/08/13 15:31, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo wrote:
> > 2013/8/7 Steve McIntyre <steve at einval.com>:
> >> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 10:47:28PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
> >>> ]] "Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo"
> >>>
> >>>> Did you already organise something in Cambridge?
> >>>
> >>> The current plan is Steve's for a test BBQ if the BBQ is ready by then,
> >>> else a nearby pub.  Steve, can you tell which one you were thinking of?
> >>
> >> I was thinking of the Green Dragon:
> >>
> >>    http://gkpubs.co.uk/pubs-in-cambridge/green-dragon-pub/
> >>
> >> it's ~5-10 minutes walk from my place. The BBQ is progressing, but
> >> slowly... :-/
> >
> > Ah OK.
> >
> > Please post time and so on when you decide which place -- I will pop
> > up if I can.
> 
> +1 ; we have visitors on Sunday, but I'm expecting them to be gone by
> mid-afternoon.

Ferry lands at 1, then we need to drive to Cambridge, check in, walk the
dogs and before showing up, so we're likely to be there between 17 or
18, I think.

-- 
Tollef Fog Heen
UNIX is user friendly, it's just picky about who its friends are


From prjmellors at gmail.com  Fri Aug  9 09:58:29 2013
From: prjmellors at gmail.com (Paul Mellors)
Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2013 09:58:29 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Introduction
Message-ID: <CAPFMG+kOoa-LgTnK0foH1mT9D6PFx1GJfiqvhTswntpvOivuFg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All

Just thought I'd say hello

Name is Paul Mellors and I've just install Debian onto my laptop, nothing
exciting and looking at the list history, this email might not even get
read ;)

But hello any way :)

Paul
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From manuel.montezelo at gmail.com  Sun Aug 11 16:06:54 2013
From: manuel.montezelo at gmail.com (Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 16:06:54 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Travelling the UK in August, meet up?
In-Reply-To: <87a9kr9sw5.fsf@xoog.err.no>
References: <m2wqo9t8c7.fsf@rahvafeir.err.no>
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2013/8/9 Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen at err.no>:
> ]] Matthew Vernon
>
>> On 07/08/13 15:31, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo wrote:
>> > 2013/8/7 Steve McIntyre <steve at einval.com>:
>> >> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 10:47:28PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>> >>> ]] "Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo"
>> >>>
>> >>>> Did you already organise something in Cambridge?
>> >>>
>> >>> The current plan is Steve's for a test BBQ if the BBQ is ready by then,
>> >>> else a nearby pub.  Steve, can you tell which one you were thinking of?
>> >>
>> >> I was thinking of the Green Dragon:
>> >>
>> >>    http://gkpubs.co.uk/pubs-in-cambridge/green-dragon-pub/
>> >>
>> >> it's ~5-10 minutes walk from my place. The BBQ is progressing, but
>> >> slowly... :-/
>> >
>> > Ah OK.
>> >
>> > Please post time and so on when you decide which place -- I will pop
>> > up if I can.
>>
>> +1 ; we have visitors on Sunday, but I'm expecting them to be gone by
>> mid-afternoon.
>
> Ferry lands at 1, then we need to drive to Cambridge, check in, walk the
> dogs and before showing up, so we're likely to be there between 17 or
> 18, I think.

So finally, it's the Green Dragon pub after 18h?


Cheers.
-- 
Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo <manuel.montezelo at gmail.com>


From steve at einval.com  Sun Aug 11 19:06:26 2013
From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre)
Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2013 19:06:26 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Travelling the UK in August, meet up?
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On Sun, Aug 11, 2013 at 04:06:54PM +0100, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo wrote:
>2013/8/9 Tollef Fog Heen <tfheen at err.no>:
>> ]] Matthew Vernon
>>
>>> On 07/08/13 15:31, Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo wrote:
>>> > 2013/8/7 Steve McIntyre <steve at einval.com>:
>>> >> On Tue, Aug 06, 2013 at 10:47:28PM +0200, Tollef Fog Heen wrote:
>>> >>> ]] "Manuel A. Fernandez Montecelo"
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> Did you already organise something in Cambridge?
>>> >>>
>>> >>> The current plan is Steve's for a test BBQ if the BBQ is ready by then,
>>> >>> else a nearby pub.  Steve, can you tell which one you were thinking of?
>>> >>
>>> >> I was thinking of the Green Dragon:
>>> >>
>>> >>    http://gkpubs.co.uk/pubs-in-cambridge/green-dragon-pub/
>>> >>
>>> >> it's ~5-10 minutes walk from my place. The BBQ is progressing, but
>>> >> slowly... :-/
>>> >
>>> > Ah OK.
>>> >
>>> > Please post time and so on when you decide which place -- I will pop
>>> > up if I can.
>>>
>>> +1 ; we have visitors on Sunday, but I'm expecting them to be gone by
>>> mid-afternoon.
>>
>> Ferry lands at 1, then we need to drive to Cambridge, check in, walk the
>> dogs and before showing up, so we're likely to be there between 17 or
>> 18, I think.
>
>So finally, it's the Green Dragon pub after 18h?

(Belatedly!) yes.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve at einval.com
  Mature Sporty Personal
  More Innovation More Adult
  A Man in Dandism
  Powered Midship Specialty



From jurzik at guug.de  Wed Aug 14 20:20:14 2013
From: jurzik at guug.de (Heike Jurzik)
Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2013 21:20:14 +0200
Subject: [Debian-uk] Get-together in Cambridge, Friday 16th August?
In-Reply-To: <87y593mxaa.fsf@poker.hands.com>
References: <20130718162724.GA10275@einval.com>
	<87y593mxaa.fsf@poker.hands.com>
Message-ID: <20130814192014.GD25053@newverein.lst.de>

Heya,

On Thu, Jul 18, 2013 at 09:24:29PM +0100, Philip Hands wrote:

> > Let us know, and we'll see if we can organise a pub trip or similar.
> 
> The 16th also happens to be Debian's 20th birthday
> (counting from Ian Murdock's announcement[1]).

Great timing on my side it seems.  Also, I just finished updating my
Debian book (800 pages on Wheezy, phew).

> Sadly I'll be locked up in Le Camp in Switzerland, so won't be able to
> make it, but I hear rumours that we'll be partying in parallel.

Yes, I know, this collides with yet another DebConf, but everyone who
is not in Switzerland: help us to celebrate and drink. ;)

Have fun in .ch and see some of you soon maybe,
Heike

-- 
I'm the operator with my pocket calculator.             (Kraftwerk)


From mac at mcrowe.com  Thu Aug 15 19:47:53 2013
From: mac at mcrowe.com (Mike Crowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 19:47:53 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] UK DSL _modem_ recommendation
Message-ID: <20130815184753.GA22045@mcrowe.com>

I've run my Debian box as a NAT router connected to my ADSL connection
for many years. To do this well so that a network interface on the box
gets the public IP address from my ISP I've used a D-Link DSL-300G
ADSL1 Ethernet modem then a Speedtouch USB ADSL1 modem and more
recently a Draytek Vigor 120 ADSL2+ modem.

Unfortunately I've had two of the Vigor 120s fail for me after less
than a year each. Now it's out of warranty Draytek aren't interested
so I'm looking at alternatives.

It looks like many ADSL routers support bridge modes but from what I
can tell (and this is why I'm posting to debian-uk) these modes are
useless in the UK because we use PPPoA rather than PPPoE and unlike
the Vigor 120 they don't translate between the two.

I can't believe I'm the only person trying to do this. What does
everyone else use?

Thanks.

Mike.


From mac at mcrowe.com  Thu Aug 15 21:44:10 2013
From: mac at mcrowe.com (Mike Crowe)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 21:44:10 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] UK DSL _modem_ recommendation
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308152119100.20566@pandora.retrosnub.co.uk>
References: <20130815184753.GA22045@mcrowe.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1308152119100.20566@pandora.retrosnub.co.uk>
Message-ID: <20130815204410.GA25582@mcrowe.com>

On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Mike Crowe wrote:
>> It looks like many ADSL routers support bridge modes but from what I
>> can tell (and this is why I'm posting to debian-uk) these modes are
>> useless in the UK because we use PPPoA rather than PPPoE and unlike
>> the Vigor 120 they don't translate between the two.
>>
>> I can't believe I'm the only person trying to do this. What does
>> everyone else use?
 
On Thursday 15 August 2013 at 21:27:17 +0100, Edward Allcutt wrote:
> I use a ZyXEL P-660R-D1 in RFC1483 Bridge mode (whatever that is).
> It's used on a BT 21CN line although I know the same model also
> works in bridge mode on Be lines (why may use the other
> encapsulation? not sure).

I believe I'm on a 21CN line from Eclipse so that sounds promising.

> It was supplied by my ISP and works fine as a bridge modem without
> any intervention for nearly three years. The only wrinkle is that it
> doesn't support "baby jumbo" frames which allow using PPPoE with an
> MTU of 1500 for encapsulated frames. AAISP seem to recommend a
> "DLINK DSL-320B" for that use-case.

Eclipse sent me a Zyxel AMG1202-T10A which claims to do RFC1483 bridge
mode so perhaps I'll do some experiments.

On Thursday 15 August 2013 at 21:53:48 +0200, Dominic Hargreaves wrote:
> It's probably worth checking with your ISP, but I believe that
> nearly all lines now support PPPOE directly. I certainly had no
> trouble with the A&A-supplied ZyXEL P660R with a BT 21CN line (I now
> use an openreach supplied VDSL modem on the A&A FTTC service).

I asked Eclipse what they recommend and they suggested using two IP
addresses and disabling NAT on the router. This sounded like it would
work too and it apparently wouldn't cost me any more but it would mean
changing IP addresses and more reconfiguration so I would prefer to
just stick with one.

Thanks to both of you for your swift replies.

Mike.



From dom at earth.li  Thu Aug 15 20:53:48 2013
From: dom at earth.li (Dominic Hargreaves)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 21:53:48 +0200
Subject: [Debian-uk] UK DSL _modem_ recommendation
In-Reply-To: <20130815184753.GA22045@mcrowe.com>
References: <20130815184753.GA22045@mcrowe.com>
Message-ID: <20130815195348.GN3181@urchin.earth.li>

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 07:47:53PM +0100, Mike Crowe wrote:
> I've run my Debian box as a NAT router connected to my ADSL connection
> for many years. To do this well so that a network interface on the box
> gets the public IP address from my ISP I've used a D-Link DSL-300G
> ADSL1 Ethernet modem then a Speedtouch USB ADSL1 modem and more
> recently a Draytek Vigor 120 ADSL2+ modem.
> 
> Unfortunately I've had two of the Vigor 120s fail for me after less
> than a year each. Now it's out of warranty Draytek aren't interested
> so I'm looking at alternatives.
> 
> It looks like many ADSL routers support bridge modes but from what I
> can tell (and this is why I'm posting to debian-uk) these modes are
> useless in the UK because we use PPPoA rather than PPPoE and unlike
> the Vigor 120 they don't translate between the two.
> 
> I can't believe I'm the only person trying to do this. What does
> everyone else use?

It's probably worth checking with your ISP, but I believe that nearly
all lines now support PPPOE directly. I certainly had no trouble with
the A&A-supplied ZyXEL P660R with a BT 21CN line (I now use an openreach
supplied VDSL modem on the A&A FTTC service).

Cheers,
Dominic.


From michael.dorrington at gmail.com  Thu Aug 15 21:48:01 2013
From: michael.dorrington at gmail.com (Michael Dorrington)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 21:48:01 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Manchester Debian 20th Birthday meet-up
Message-ID: <520D3E81.9040208@gmail.com>

We are going to meet up at 7pm tomorrow (Friday) in The Knott Bar on
Deansgate (374 Deansgate, Manchester, M3 4LY if the Internet is to be
believed).  It's on the opposite side of the road to Deansgate locks and
is under the rail bridge.  It'll be rather busy but I'll try to remember
to wear some Debian gear so you can find us.

See you there,
Mike.
-- 
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mission to promote computer user freedom and to defend the rights of all
free software users."


From edward at allcutt.me.uk  Thu Aug 15 21:27:17 2013
From: edward at allcutt.me.uk (Edward Allcutt)
Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2013 21:27:17 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Debian-uk] UK DSL _modem_ recommendation
In-Reply-To: <20130815184753.GA22045@mcrowe.com>
References: <20130815184753.GA22045@mcrowe.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1308152119100.20566@pandora.retrosnub.co.uk>

On Thu, 15 Aug 2013, Mike Crowe wrote:
> It looks like many ADSL routers support bridge modes but from what I
> can tell (and this is why I'm posting to debian-uk) these modes are
> useless in the UK because we use PPPoA rather than PPPoE and unlike
> the Vigor 120 they don't translate between the two.
>
> I can't believe I'm the only person trying to do this. What does
> everyone else use?

I use a ZyXEL P-660R-D1 in RFC1483 Bridge mode (whatever that is). It's 
used on a BT 21CN line although I know the same model also works in bridge 
mode on Be lines (why may use the other encapsulation? not sure).

It was supplied by my ISP and works fine as a bridge modem without any 
intervention for nearly three years. The only wrinkle is that it doesn't 
support "baby jumbo" frames which allow using PPPoE with an MTU of 1500 
for encapsulated frames. AAISP seem to recommend a "DLINK DSL-320B" for 
that use-case.

-- 
Edward Allcutt


From steve at einval.com  Fri Aug 16 10:56:56 2013
From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 10:56:56 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] UK DSL _modem_ recommendation
In-Reply-To: <20130815184753.GA22045@mcrowe.com>
References: <20130815184753.GA22045@mcrowe.com>
Message-ID: <20130816095656.GA26616@einval.com>

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 07:47:53PM +0100, Mike Crowe wrote:
>I've run my Debian box as a NAT router connected to my ADSL connection
>for many years. To do this well so that a network interface on the box
>gets the public IP address from my ISP I've used a D-Link DSL-300G
>ADSL1 Ethernet modem then a Speedtouch USB ADSL1 modem and more
>recently a Draytek Vigor 120 ADSL2+ modem.
>
>Unfortunately I've had two of the Vigor 120s fail for me after less
>than a year each. Now it's out of warranty Draytek aren't interested
>so I'm looking at alternatives.
>
>It looks like many ADSL routers support bridge modes but from what I
>can tell (and this is why I'm posting to debian-uk) these modes are
>useless in the UK because we use PPPoA rather than PPPoE and unlike
>the Vigor 120 they don't translate between the two.
>
>I can't believe I'm the only person trying to do this. What does
>everyone else use?

Hi Mike,

I've been using a wide variety of cheap and cheerful ADSL
modem/routers in bridged mode for years, terminating the PPP session
as PPPoE on my firewall/router box. I've never had any issues this
way, and it means I can simply swap in a new ADSL modem with minimal
setup as/when needed. My experience has been that consumer-level ADSL
kit is cheap and nasty, even when you pay over the odds. So I'm happy
to reduce my reliance on such devices to simple translation.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve at einval.com
Welcome my son, welcome to the machine.



From steve at einval.com  Fri Aug 16 11:48:15 2013
From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 11:48:15 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Happy birthday Debian!
Message-ID: <20130816104815.GD26616@einval.com>

20 years ago today, a young Linux enthusiast by the name of Ian
Murdock wrote:

   Fellow Linuxers,

   This is just to announce the imminent completion of a brand-new
   Linux release, which I'm calling the Debian Linux Release.  This is
   a release that I have put together basically from scratch; in other
   words, I didn't simply make some changes to SLS and call it a new
   release. [1]

Things have certainly come on a little since then. Today, Debian has
thousands of contributors around the world and we're the centre of an
ecosystem with many millions of users.

This sounds like a good excuse for a party!

I suggest a gathering in Cambridge (where else? *grin*) tonight. How
about we meet at the Haymakers [2] pub for some food, drink and
general merriment? Jo and I will aim to be there from 7pm or so,
wearing Debian-themed stuff. We'll even have a friendly journalist
with us! [3]

See you there!

[1] http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=CBusDD.MIK%40unix.portal.com&output=gplain
[2] http://www.individualpubs.co.uk/haymakers/
[3] http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/pipermail/debian-uk/2013-August/000196.html

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve at einval.com
  Mature Sporty Personal
  More Innovation More Adult
  A Man in Dandism
  Powered Midship Specialty



From steve at einval.com  Fri Aug 16 14:19:35 2013
From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:19:35 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Mini-Debconf in Cambridge, UK - November 14-17 2013
Message-ID: <20130816131935.GF26616@einval.com>

Hi!

I'm organising a mini-conf in Cambridge for November this year. My
employer ARM has graciously volunteered to host people for 4 days for
a mix of sprint sessions and talks:

 * 2 days for a mini-DebCamp (Thu 14 - Fri 15), with space for
   dedicated development / sprint / team meetings for up to 40 people

 * 2 days for a more regular mini-conf (Sat 16 - Sun 17) with space
   for more general talks, up to 100 people

and I'm hoping to find sponsors to cover some other costs for the
conference for things like food.

I'm expecting that we will end up discussing and working on the new
arm64 port and other ARM-related topics at the very least, but there's
obviously also scope for other subjects for sprint work and talks.

For more details and to sign up to attend, please visit the wiki page
at

  https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Miniconf-UK/2013

I look forwards to seeing lots of you in November!

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve at einval.com
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From prjmellors at gmail.com  Fri Aug 16 14:23:24 2013
From: prjmellors at gmail.com (Paul Mellors)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 14:23:24 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Mini-Debconf in Cambridge, UK - November 14-17 2013
In-Reply-To: <20130816131935.GF26616@einval.com>
References: <20130816131935.GF26616@einval.com>
Message-ID: <CAPFMG+kfig+HSouG3QJdwqWDT+1tjeDbYOQ+G5DFOJKwqCDySw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All

If it ok to paste that link into twitter/facebook etc to promote it?

I can't make the event but can big it up a bit :)

Paul


On 16 August 2013 14:19, Steve McIntyre <steve at einval.com> wrote:

> Hi!
>
> I'm organising a mini-conf in Cambridge for November this year. My
> employer ARM has graciously volunteered to host people for 4 days for
> a mix of sprint sessions and talks:
>
>  * 2 days for a mini-DebCamp (Thu 14 - Fri 15), with space for
>    dedicated development / sprint / team meetings for up to 40 people
>
>  * 2 days for a more regular mini-conf (Sat 16 - Sun 17) with space
>    for more general talks, up to 100 people
>
> and I'm hoping to find sponsors to cover some other costs for the
> conference for things like food.
>
> I'm expecting that we will end up discussing and working on the new
> arm64 port and other ARM-related topics at the very least, but there's
> obviously also scope for other subjects for sprint work and talks.
>
> For more details and to sign up to attend, please visit the wiki page
> at
>
>   https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Miniconf-UK/2013
>
> I look forwards to seeing lots of you in November!
>
> --
> Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.
> steve at einval.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Debian-uk maillist  -  Debian-uk at chiark.greenend.org.uk
> http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/debian-uk
>
>
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From andrewsh at debian.org  Fri Aug 16 15:39:28 2013
From: andrewsh at debian.org (Andrew Shadura)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 16:39:28 +0200
Subject: [Debian-uk] Mini-Debconf in Cambridge, UK - November 14-17 2013
In-Reply-To: <CAPFMG+kfig+HSouG3QJdwqWDT+1tjeDbYOQ+G5DFOJKwqCDySw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20130816131935.GF26616@einval.com>
	<CAPFMG+kfig+HSouG3QJdwqWDT+1tjeDbYOQ+G5DFOJKwqCDySw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACujMDPZCed8JyW--iOJDaR6h_QWjf3oOEHgq6Az-ZvrtBzQrg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

On 16 August 2013 15:23, Paul Mellors <prjmellors at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm organising a mini-conf in Cambridge for November this year. My
>> employer ARM has graciously volunteered to host people for 4 days for
>> a mix of sprint sessions and talks:

>> For more details and to sign up to attend, please visit the wiki page
>> at
>>   https://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/Miniconf-UK/2013

>> I look forwards to seeing lots of you in November!

Should I book my flight already? :)

-- 
WBR, Andrew


From mac at mcrowe.com  Fri Aug 16 20:35:07 2013
From: mac at mcrowe.com (Mike Crowe)
Date: Fri, 16 Aug 2013 20:35:07 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] UK DSL _modem_ recommendation
In-Reply-To: <20130816095656.GA26616@einval.com>
References: <20130815184753.GA22045@mcrowe.com>
	<20130816095656.GA26616@einval.com>
Message-ID: <20130816193507.GA9427@mcrowe.com>

On Thu, Aug 15, 2013 at 07:47:53PM +0100, Mike Crowe wrote:
>>It looks like many ADSL routers support bridge modes but from what I
>>can tell (and this is why I'm posting to debian-uk) these modes are
>>useless in the UK because we use PPPoA rather than PPPoE and unlike
>>the Vigor 120 they don't translate between the two.

On Friday 16 August 2013 at 10:56:56 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> I've been using a wide variety of cheap and cheerful ADSL
> modem/routers in bridged mode for years, terminating the PPP session
> as PPPoE on my firewall/router box. I've never had any issues this
> way, and it means I can simply swap in a new ADSL modem with minimal
> setup as/when needed. My experience has been that consumer-level ADSL
> kit is cheap and nasty, even when you pay over the odds. So I'm happy
> to reduce my reliance on such devices to simple translation.

I configured a random router for RFC1483 bridged mode and my
connection just worked straight away with the existing PPPoE
configuration on my Linux box.

I also found
http://blog.farnz.org.uk/2010/02/on-pppoa-pppoe-atm-and-adsl.html to
be interesting reading.

Thanks to everyone who replied.

Mike.


From colin at tuckley.org  Sat Aug 17 09:32:00 2013
From: colin at tuckley.org (Colin Tuckley)
Date: Sat, 17 Aug 2013 09:32:00 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] GPG keys and QR codes
Message-ID: <520F3500.2070600@tuckley.org>

With the BBQ coming up and the associated keysigning that implies I was
thinking about ways of exchanging key fingerprints and it occurred to me
that maybe QR Codes would help.

A quick Google turned up https://github.com/psychomario/Key2QR

Has anyone else thought about this and maybe got further towards a
usable system where people could swap key fingerprints by scanning each
others QR coded Public key info?

Colin

-- 
Colin Tuckley      |  +44(0)1223 830814  |  PGP/GnuPG Key Id
Debian Developer   |  +44(0)7799 143369  |     0x1B3045CE

The world is coming to an end. Please log off.


From liw at liw.fi  Sun Aug 18 11:43:05 2013
From: liw at liw.fi (Lars Wirzenius)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 11:43:05 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] GPG keys and QR codes
In-Reply-To: <520F3500.2070600@tuckley.org>
References: <520F3500.2070600@tuckley.org>
Message-ID: <20130818104305.GA4585@havelock>

On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 09:32:00AM +0100, Colin Tuckley wrote:
> With the BBQ coming up and the associated keysigning that implies I was
> thinking about ways of exchanging key fingerprints and it occurred to me
> that maybe QR Codes would help.
> 
> A quick Google turned up https://github.com/psychomario/Key2QR
> 
> Has anyone else thought about this and maybe got further towards a
> usable system where people could swap key fingerprints by scanning each
> others QR coded Public key info?

/me dons paranoid hat

QR codes are fun and can be very useful. They are not, however, human
readable, and for key signing their use needs to be considered carefully.
As long as the QR code is used to save some typing, and the actual
verification happens of cleartext, it's probably a good idea. What I mean
is, the QR code should be accompanied by a cleartext key information
(name, key fingerprint), and after the QR code is decoded on their own
system should see the same cleartext information. A bad scenario would
be that you are given only a QR code on paper, and you take a photo of
that, see a name and a fingerprint, and sign that. This opens an attack
vector where either the QR generating code modifies the fingerprint,
or the QR scanning code does that.

This is not a very likely attack, of course. I wouldn't have thought a
photocopier alters numbers on a page, either, and that's now happening
(though not, it seems, intentionally.)

/me removes paranoid hat

I had a quick play with the Key2QR script.

* Does not use proper shell quoting at all times.
* Encodes the entire public or private key in the QR code: as Colin
  said on IRC just now, it's probably meant for key backup rather
  than key signing.
* Takes a long time for me to run (at least six minutes), and then
  fails, except it exits with 0. Also leaves some temporary files
  around.

Overall, I'm not impressed.

I've attached a quick hack to do what Colin suggests. There may be
existing tools, but it's Sunday morning and if I can't NIH on a
Sunday morning, when can I?

-- 
http://www.cafepress.com/trunktees -- geeky funny T-shirts
http://gtdfh.branchable.com/ -- GTD for hackers
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#!/bin/sh
#
# A small script to produce a PDF with key slips for exchanging PGP
# key information for key signing purposes.
#
# Requires gpg, qrencode, and pandoc (with TeX stuff).
#
# Usage: $0 keyid...

set -eu

temp=$(mktemp)
trap 'rm -f "$temp"' EXIT

for keyid in "$@"
do
    # Save key info to a file.
    gpg --fingerprint "$keyid" > "$keyid.mdwn"

    # Generate QR code for key info.
    qrencode $(cat "$keyid.mdwn") -o "$keyid.png"

    # Indent the key info by four spaces, so its a code block.
    sed -i 's/^/    /' "$keyid.mdwn"

    # Include the QR code.
    cat <<EOF >> "$keyid.mdwn"

![Key information as QR]($keyid.png)\\ 

EOF

    # Duplicate it a few times to have many keyslips per page.  With
    # my key, experimentation shows 2 slips will fit on one
    # page. That's obviously dependent on how many usernames a key
    # has.
    #
    # Someone who understands pandoc better might tweak margins and
    # font sizes enough that more can be fit on the page. Or someone
    # could do the formatting with another tool, which could allow
    # for a tighter layout.
    for i in $(seq 2)
    do
	cat "$keyid.mdwn"
    done | 
    sponge "$keyid.mdwn"

    # Produce a PDF.
    pandoc -f markdown -o "$keyid.pdf" "$keyid.mdwn"
done

From liw at liw.fi  Sun Aug 18 15:27:17 2013
From: liw at liw.fi (Lars Wirzenius)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 15:27:17 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] GPG keys and QR codes
In-Reply-To: <20130818104305.GA4585@havelock>
References: <520F3500.2070600@tuckley.org>
 <20130818104305.GA4585@havelock>
Message-ID: <20130818142717.GB4585@havelock>

On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 11:43:05AM +0100, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> I've attached a quick hack to do what Colin suggests. There may be
> existing tools, but it's Sunday morning and if I can't NIH on a
> Sunday morning, when can I?

Well, that was an utter failure... Colin pointed out that I had
shell script quoting problems of my own.

http://paste.debian.net/26612/ (and attached) should be a fixed
version.

-- 
http://www.cafepress.com/trunktees -- geeky funny T-shirts
http://gtdfh.branchable.com/ -- GTD for hackers
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#!/bin/sh
#
# A small script to produce a PDF with key slips for exchanging PGP
# key information for key signing purposes.
#
# Requires gpg, qrencode, and pandoc (with TeX stuff).
#
# Usage: $0 keyid...

set -eu

temp=$(mktemp)
trap 'rm -f "$temp"' EXIT

for keyid in "$@"
do
    # Save key info to a file.
    keyinfo=$(gpg --fingerprint "$keyid")

    # Generate QR code for key info.
    qrencode "$keyinfo" -o "$keyid.png"

    # Create the Markdown document.
    # Indent the key info by four spaces, so its a code block.
    echo "$keyinfo" | sed 's/^/    /' > "$keyid.mdwn"

    # Include the QR code.
    cat <<EOF >> "$keyid.mdwn"

![Key information as QR]($keyid.png)\\ 


EOF

    # Duplicate it a few times to have many keyslips per page.  With
    # my key, experimentation shows only one slip will fit on one
    # page. That's obviously dependent on how many usernames a key
    # has, etc.
    #
    # Someone who understands pandoc better might tweak margins and
    # font sizes enough that more can be fit on the page. Or someone
    # could do the formatting with another tool, which could allow
    # for a tighter layout.

    for i in $(seq 1)
    do
	cat "$keyid.mdwn"
    done | 
    sponge "$keyid.mdwn"

    # Produce a PDF.
    pandoc -f markdown -o "$keyid.pdf" "$keyid.mdwn"
done

From matthewv at chiark.greenend.org.uk  Sun Aug 18 16:14:37 2013
From: matthewv at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Matthew Vernon)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 16:14:37 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] GPG keys and QR codes
In-Reply-To: <520F3500.2070600@tuckley.org>
References: <520F3500.2070600@tuckley.org>
Message-ID: <5210E4DD.1080609@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

On 17/08/13 09:32, Colin Tuckley wrote:
> With the BBQ coming up and the associated keysigning that implies I was
> thinking about ways of exchanging key fingerprints and it occurred to me
> that maybe QR Codes would help.

I'm a bit of a luddite, but I just use gpg-key2ps from the signing-party 
package to produce a set of slips of paper to give people. It's easy for 
me to be sure I've given out the correct fingerprint, and easy for the 
other party to check the fingerprint against a key in due course. I'm 
not sure I quite want to trust QR-codes...

Cheers,

Matthew
hoping to collect lots of signatures on Saturday :)


From colin at tuckley.org  Sun Aug 18 22:59:07 2013
From: colin at tuckley.org (Colin Tuckley)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:59:07 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] CACert Assurances at the Debian-UK BBQ
Message-ID: <521143AB.3000403@tuckley.org>

Several of the people attending the BBQ are CACert assurers.

We usually have enough assurers present that we can get a new CACert
member up to assurer status straight away.

If anyone is interested in becoming a CACert assurer then please go to
the CACert website and register for an account *before* the BBQ.

If you have questions that are not answered by the information on the
CACert site then please contact me off list.

Colin

-- 
Colin Tuckley      |  +44(0)1223 830814  |  PGP/GnuPG Key Id
Debian Developer   |  +44(0)7799 143369  |     0x1B3045CE

... Getting the truth from Clinton is like nailing Jello


From pm at debian.org  Sun Aug 18 22:29:00 2013
From: pm at debian.org (Paul Martin)
Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 22:29:00 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] GPG keys and QR codes
In-Reply-To: <5210E4DD.1080609@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
References: <520F3500.2070600@tuckley.org>
	<5210E4DD.1080609@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20130818212859.GA6414@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk>

On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 04:14:37PM +0100, Matthew Vernon wrote:
> I'm a bit of a luddite, but I just use gpg-key2ps from the
> signing-party package to produce a set of slips of paper to give
> people. It's easy for me to be sure I've given out the correct
> fingerprint, and easy for the other party to check the fingerprint
> against a key in due course. I'm not sure I quite want to trust
> QR-codes...

Agreed.  I always check the fingerprint visually against the uid[*]
I'm preparing to sign.  That's a bit difficult to do if you have to
decode a barcode with your smartphone.

Anyone proffering solely a QR code will be politely refused.

[*] Make sure your key slip shows all the email addresses/uids you
wish to be signed.

-- 
Paul Martin <pm at debian.org>
...who is starting to sound like Kinnison on this matter. ;-)


From dsilvers at digital-scurf.org  Mon Aug 19 08:18:22 2013
From: dsilvers at digital-scurf.org (Daniel Silverstone)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 08:18:22 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] GPG keys and QR codes
In-Reply-To: <20130818212859.GA6414@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk>
References: <520F3500.2070600@tuckley.org>
	<5210E4DD.1080609@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
	<20130818212859.GA6414@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20130819071822.GF3070@somnambulist.local>

On Sun, Aug 18, 2013 at 22:29:00 +0100, Paul Martin wrote:
> Anyone proffering solely a QR code will be politely refused.

100% in support of this statement.

> [*] Make sure your key slip shows all the email addresses/uids you
> wish to be signed.

Not quite so bothered about this.  So long as personal details are covered,
email addresses can be checked post-hoc using Caf or similar tools.

But names, any IRC nicks used on the key, etc should be present on the keyslip.

Also, remember to include not only your fingerprint, but size and type of key.

E.g.:

4096/R   1956 8523 759E 2A28 58F4  606B 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69

Otherwise you leave the door open to someone faking up a smaller key with the
same fingerprint.

Regards,

Daniel.

-- 
Daniel Silverstone                         http://www.digital-scurf.org/
PGP mail accepted and encouraged.            Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69


From smcv at debian.org  Mon Aug 19 11:44:23 2013
From: smcv at debian.org (Simon McVittie)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 11:44:23 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] GPG keys and QR codes
In-Reply-To: <20130818104305.GA4585@havelock>
References: <520F3500.2070600@tuckley.org> <20130818104305.GA4585@havelock>
Message-ID: <5211F707.7090500@debian.org>

On 18/08/13 11:43, Lars Wirzenius wrote:
> On Sat, Aug 17, 2013 at 09:32:00AM +0100, Colin Tuckley wrote:
>> Has anyone else thought about this and maybe got further towards a
>> usable system where people could swap key fingerprints by scanning each
>> others QR coded Public key info?

monkeysign <http://web.monkeysphere.info/monkeysign/> also exists.

> A bad scenario would
> be that you are given only a QR code on paper, and you take a photo of
> that, see a name and a fingerprint, and sign that.

Unfortunately, it seems monkeysign generates a bare QR code (containing
the fingerprint, or at least, it doesn't look information-rich enough
for a whole key to me). I agree it'd be better if it produced a
gpg-key2ps-style keyslip, with the QR code added at one end: then you
could show the QR code to your webcam as a shortcut for data-entry, and
check the on-screen fingerprint and details against the ones on the slip
(the same way you would if you'd retrieved a key by its short key ID).

    S



From martin at antibodymx.net  Mon Aug 19 14:00:11 2013
From: martin at antibodymx.net (Martin A. Brooks)
Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 14:00:11 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Debian-uk] BBQ related assistance request
Message-ID: <8218485.3009.1376917211775.JavaMail.root@clues.ltd.uk>

Hello

This coming Saturday I will be driving from London to Cambridge for the barbeque and bringing quite a lot of food with me.

I wondered if someone would volunteer to help me with the shopping.  I have a back injury and heavy lifting aggravates it.  In exchange, I'll give you and lift up to Cambridge on the day and, if you like, a lift back on the Sunday morning.

Thanks!


-- 
Martin A. Brooks
http://antibodyMX.net/ - antispam & antivirus email filtering.


From pm at debian.org  Mon Aug 26 23:46:03 2013
From: pm at debian.org (Paul Martin)
Date: Mon, 26 Aug 2013 23:46:03 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Lost tee-shirts
Message-ID: <20130826224603.GA5414@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk>

It looks like I left behind at Sledge's:

 * Swirl tee with "debian/rules" on back (size small)
 * Codethink tee (size small)
 * Baserock tee (size small)

They must have fallen out of my laptop backpack which was to the right
of the TV.

-- 
Paul Martin <pm at debian.org>