From he at debian.org Fri Jun 15 15:52:11 2012 From: he at debian.org (Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2012 16:52:11 +0200 Subject: [Debian-uk] Beersigning in the bay area and Cambridge (UK) Message-ID: <87wr387hlw.fsf@perikles.marcbrockschmidt.de> Heya, next month, I will attend CAV'2012 in Berkeley and then spend a week (July 13th till July 20th) in San Francisco to have a look around the city. If anyone is interested, I would be happy to meet to sign a beer or two - just send me a mail, and I'll try to have a look at the BAD list, too. And, an early warning: I will do a 12 week research internship at [name redacted for my own security] in Cambridge starting in October. Of course, my research will include extended sampling of British beer, hopefully in nice company. However, one of the things I still need to organize for that is a place to stay - if, by chance, someone has useful hints, I would be very grateful (as in free beer). 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I have just removed the account details from the wiki page at http://wiki.earth.li/DebianUKSociety for safety. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve at einval.com Mature Sporty Personal More Innovation More Adult A Man in Dandism Powered Midship Specialty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From steve at einval.com Sun Jun 24 09:07:01 2012 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Sun, 24 Jun 2012 09:07:01 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Time to close the Debian UK Society? Message-ID: <20120624080701.GE4029@einval.com> Hi folks, We set up Debian UK a number of years ago, basically as a means to an end: getting a bank account in the UK for Debian funds. Back in the day, we were attending two or three Linux shows every year and seeing a lot of turnover from selling CDs and T-shirts, passing the money on to deserving Debian folks. Having a proper bank account made this much easier and more accountable than simply storing Debian money in my savings account! Today, we don't have the same need for such an account, in my opinion. The days of the Linux trade show in the UK are done: Linux has gone mainstream and doesn't need specialist shows any more. We tend to take some Ts to FOSDEM and/or DebConf these days, and I've been getting the odd enquiry about them by email, but we're seeing only a tiny volume compared to what used to happen. Other folks (like Debian.ch) are doing T-shirts these days, and we don't need much special handling of Debian money in the UK. That then leads to the question: do we still need the Debian UK Society? I'm thinking of closing it down and transferring the remaining money to FFIS or SPI at this point. As I mentioned last week, I've already moved the money out of the unsafe account we had at the Co-Op Bank back into my savings account. Should we continue the shell of the Society or not? Comments welcome... If there is general support for closure, I'll propose a winding-up motion for the BBQ this year. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve at einval.com "Every time you use Tcl, God kills a kitten." -- Malcolm Ray From dsilvers at digital-scurf.org Mon Jun 25 09:24:23 2012 From: dsilvers at digital-scurf.org (Daniel Silverstone) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 09:24:23 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Time to close the Debian UK Society? In-Reply-To: <20120624080701.GE4029@einval.com> References: <20120624080701.GE4029@einval.com> Message-ID: <20120625082423.GC18715@somnambulist.local> On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 09:07:01AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > If there is general support for closure, I'll propose a winding-up > motion for the BBQ this year. If it's not doing any good keeping it; then I see no point investing effort in maintaining it. We know perfectly well how to set one up if we decide in the coming years that a Society would be worth it once more. D. -- Daniel Silverstone http://www.digital-scurf.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged. Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69 From steve at einval.com Mon Jun 25 15:17:58 2012 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 15:17:58 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Beersigning in the bay area and Cambridge (UK) In-Reply-To: <87wr387hlw.fsf@perikles.marcbrockschmidt.de> References: <87wr387hlw.fsf@perikles.marcbrockschmidt.de> Message-ID: <20120625141758.GC4317@einval.com> On Fri, Jun 15, 2012 at 04:52:11PM +0200, Marc 'HE' Brockschmidt wrote: >Heya, Hey Marc, >And, an early warning: I will do a 12 week research internship at [name >redacted for my own security] in Cambridge starting in October. Of >course, my research will include extended sampling of British beer, >hopefully in nice company. Cool. :-) >However, one of the things I still need to organize for that is a place >to stay - if, by chance, someone has useful hints, I would be very >grateful (as in free beer). http://www.brettward.co.uk/canb/ is a good place to start if you're looking for something in Cambridge. I've no idea what kind of thing you're looking for... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve at einval.com "The problem with defending the purity of the English language is that English is about as pure as a cribhouse whore. We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary." -- James D. Nicoll From liw at liw.fi Mon Jun 25 13:52:59 2012 From: liw at liw.fi (Lars Wirzenius) Date: Mon, 25 Jun 2012 13:52:59 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Time to close the Debian UK Society? In-Reply-To: <20120625082423.GC18715@somnambulist.local> References: <20120624080701.GE4029@einval.com> <20120625082423.GC18715@somnambulist.local> Message-ID: <20120625125258.GA32540@mavolio.liw.fi> On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 09:24:23AM +0100, Daniel Silverstone wrote: > On Sun, Jun 24, 2012 at 09:07:01AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > If there is general support for closure, I'll propose a winding-up > > motion for the BBQ this year. > > If it's not doing any good keeping it; then I see no point investing effort in > maintaining it. > > We know perfectly well how to set one up if we decide in the coming years that > a Society would be worth it once more. As one of the newer members, I'll say I agree with Daniel. An organisation is a means to an end, and if it is not useful, it's pointless to keep it alive. (That's assuming that the shutdown and setup costs are tolerable in the UK.) -- I wrote a book: http://gtdfh.branchable.com/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 836 bytes Desc: Digital signature URL: From jmw at debian.org Tue Jun 26 14:31:42 2012 From: jmw at debian.org (Jonathan Wiltshire) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 14:31:42 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Driving in Switzerland Message-ID: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> Dear Swiss locals, Please could you advise on specific regulations for foreign drivers in Switzerland? There is a previous version of the information I would like to collect [1] and any input you can give as locals would be most helpful. 1: http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011/Roadtrip Thanks, -- Jonathan Wiltshire jmw at debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 From jmw at debian.org Tue Jun 26 16:12:39 2012 From: jmw at debian.org (Jonathan Wiltshire) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:12:39 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Driving in Switzerland In-Reply-To: <201206261610.24601.odyx@debian.org> References: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> <201206261610.24601.odyx@debian.org> Message-ID: <4ed0f0e97a69afff3c8c69cf88b38041@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> On 2012-06-26 15:10, Didier 'OdyX' Raboud wrote: > (FWIW, I bounced Jonathan's mail to the community mailing list where > it is > probably more appropriate) > > Hi Jonathan, > > Le mardi, 26 juin 2012 15.31:42, Jonathan Wiltshire a ?crit : >> Dear Swiss locals, >> >> Please could you advise on specific regulations for foreign drivers >> in >> Switzerland? > > As far as I can tell, from the wikipage you point: > > Warning Triangle: yes > Reflective Jacket: yes > First aid kit: no > Fire extinguisher: no > Beam benders: probably > Bulbs: probably > GB Sticker: not with recent Euro-plates > IDP: ? > GPS: ? > DRL: recommended > Green card: ? > > One thing that is very specific to Switzerland is that you need a > "highway > vignette" which can come quite expensive. It is mandatory to be > allowed to > drive on swiss highways; it is currently worth 40.- CHF but is valid > for a > whole year. Thanks, this is a really helpful start! -- Jonathan Wiltshire jmw at debian.org Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 From odyx at debian.org Tue Jun 26 15:10:22 2012 From: odyx at debian.org (Didier 'OdyX' Raboud) Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 16:10:22 +0200 Subject: [Debian-uk] Driving in Switzerland In-Reply-To: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> References: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> Message-ID: <201206261610.24601.odyx@debian.org> (FWIW, I bounced Jonathan's mail to the community mailing list where it is probably more appropriate) Hi Jonathan, Le mardi, 26 juin 2012 15.31:42, Jonathan Wiltshire a ?crit : > Dear Swiss locals, > > Please could you advise on specific regulations for foreign drivers in > Switzerland? As far as I can tell, from the wikipage you point: Warning Triangle: yes Reflective Jacket: yes First aid kit: no Fire extinguisher: no Beam benders: probably Bulbs: probably GB Sticker: not with recent Euro-plates IDP: ? GPS: ? DRL: recommended Green card: ? One thing that is very specific to Switzerland is that you need a "highway vignette" which can come quite expensive. It is mandatory to be allowed to drive on swiss highways; it is currently worth 40.- CHF but is valid for a whole year. Cheers, OdyX -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 665 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: From paul at mjr.org Wed Jun 27 09:55:18 2012 From: paul at mjr.org (Paul Hedderly) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 09:55:18 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Driving in Switzerland In-Reply-To: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> References: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> Message-ID: <20120627085518.GU23195@wacka.mjr.org> Drive on the right. I presume you're going during the summer - I wont repeat what others have said - but if you go in the winter, be sure to carry chains / get winter tyres - depending on where you are going one or both are required. On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:31:42PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > Dear Swiss locals, > > Please could you advise on specific regulations for foreign drivers > in Switzerland? > There is a previous version of the information I would like to > collect [1] > and any input you can give as locals would be most helpful. > > 1: http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011/Roadtrip > > Thanks, > > -- > Jonathan Wiltshire jmw at debian.org > Debian Developer http://people.debian.org/~jmw > > 4096R: 0xD3524C51 / 0A55 B7C5 1223 3942 86EC 74C3 5394 479D D352 4C51 > > _______________________________________________ > Debian-uk maillist - Debian-uk at chiark.greenend.org.uk > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/debian-uk From dave at biff.org.uk Wed Jun 27 10:24:15 2012 From: dave at biff.org.uk (Dave Holland) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 10:24:15 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Driving in Switzerland In-Reply-To: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> References: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> Message-ID: <20120627092415.GA482@snag.biff.org.uk> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:31:42PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > Please could you advise on specific regulations for foreign drivers > in Switzerland? If you're driving via France, then I read that carrying a breathalyzer in the car will be compulsory from 1st July. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9095573/Motorists-will-have-to-carry-portable-breathalyser-in-France.html Cheers, Dave From steve at einval.com Wed Jun 27 14:17:20 2012 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:17:20 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Driving in Switzerland In-Reply-To: <20120627092415.GA482@snag.biff.org.uk> References: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> <20120627092415.GA482@snag.biff.org.uk> Message-ID: <20120627131720.GA5485@einval.com> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:24:15AM +0100, Dave Holland wrote: >On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:31:42PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: >> Please could you advise on specific regulations for foreign drivers >> in Switzerland? > >If you're driving via France, then I read that carrying a breathalyzer >in the car will be compulsory from 1st July. > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9095573/Motorists-will-have-to-carry-portable-breathalyser-in-France.html *sigh* Pointless, and most likely only going to be enforced against tourists... :-( -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve at einval.com "We're the technical experts. We were hired so that management could ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs." -- Mike Andrews From paul at mjr.org Wed Jun 27 14:22:42 2012 From: paul at mjr.org (Paul Hedderly) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:22:42 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Driving in Switzerland In-Reply-To: <20120627131720.GA5485@einval.com> References: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> <20120627092415.GA482@snag.biff.org.uk> <20120627131720.GA5485@einval.com> Message-ID: <20120627132242.GV23195@wacka.mjr.org> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 02:17:20PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:24:15AM +0100, Dave Holland wrote: > >On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:31:42PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > >> Please could you advise on specific regulations for foreign drivers > >> in Switzerland? > > > >If you're driving via France, then I read that carrying a breathalyzer > >in the car will be compulsory from 1st July. > > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9095573/Motorists-will-have-to-carry-portable-breathalyser-in-France.html > > *sigh* Pointless, and most likely only going to be enforced against > tourists... :-( Oh good another reason not to go to France :) From rjek at rjek.com Wed Jun 27 14:27:27 2012 From: rjek at rjek.com (Rob Kendrick) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:27:27 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Driving in Switzerland In-Reply-To: <20120627131720.GA5485@einval.com> References: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> <20120627092415.GA482@snag.biff.org.uk> <20120627131720.GA5485@einval.com> Message-ID: <20120627132726.GD4616@pepperfish.net> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 02:17:20PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:24:15AM +0100, Dave Holland wrote: > >On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:31:42PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > >> Please could you advise on specific regulations for foreign drivers > >> in Switzerland? > > > >If you're driving via France, then I read that carrying a breathalyzer > >in the car will be compulsory from 1st July. > > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9095573/Motorists-will-have-to-carry-portable-breathalyser-in-France.html > > *sigh* Pointless, and most likely only going to be enforced against > tourists... :-( You've had a drink, so you use your disposable prethalyser to see if you're safe to drive. It says you are, but now you don't have the device you're legally required to have. So you actually need two. B. From dsilvers at digital-scurf.org Wed Jun 27 15:52:37 2012 From: dsilvers at digital-scurf.org (Daniel Silverstone) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 15:52:37 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Driving in Switzerland In-Reply-To: <20120627132726.GD4616@pepperfish.net> References: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> <20120627092415.GA482@snag.biff.org.uk> <20120627131720.GA5485@einval.com> <20120627132726.GD4616@pepperfish.net> Message-ID: <20120627145237.GA24162@somnambulist.local> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 02:27:27PM +0100, Rob Kendrick wrote: > > *sigh* Pointless, and most likely only going to be enforced against > > tourists... :-( > You've had a drink, so you use your disposable prethalyser to see if > you're safe to drive. It says you are, but now you don't have the > device you're legally required to have. > So you actually need two. You've had a drink, so you don't drive. Simpler. D. -- Daniel Silverstone http://www.digital-scurf.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged. Key Id: 3CCE BABE 206C 3B69 From odyx at debian.org Wed Jun 27 15:11:22 2012 From: odyx at debian.org (Didier 'OdyX' Raboud) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 16:11:22 +0200 Subject: [Debian-uk] Please post to community@lists.debian.ch and not to debconf* for things related to Switzerland Message-ID: <201206271611.30271.odyx@debian.org> Hi Debian-UK, I have now bounced 6 mails initially aimed at debconf13- localteam at lists.debconf.org to community at lists.debian.ch where they are more appropriate. Please direct the mails concerning "Switzerland" (as "driving in Switzerland", "buying cheese in Switzerland", "hiding money in Switzerland", :-p ) to community at lists.debian.ch and not to debconf13-localteam at lists.debconf.org. Thanks, OdyX -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From pm at debian.org Wed Jun 27 17:17:31 2012 From: pm at debian.org (Paul Martin) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 17:17:31 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Driving in Switzerland In-Reply-To: <20120627132726.GD4616@pepperfish.net> References: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> <20120627092415.GA482@snag.biff.org.uk> <20120627131720.GA5485@einval.com> <20120627132726.GD4616@pepperfish.net> Message-ID: <20120627161730.GA26322@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 02:27:27PM +0100, Rob Kendrick wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 02:17:20PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:24:15AM +0100, Dave Holland wrote: > > >On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:31:42PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: > > >> Please could you advise on specific regulations for foreign drivers > > >> in Switzerland? > > > > > >If you're driving via France, then I read that carrying a breathalyzer > > >in the car will be compulsory from 1st July. > > > > > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9095573/Motorists-will-have-to-carry-portable-breathalyser-in-France.html > > > > *sigh* Pointless, and most likely only going to be enforced against > > tourists... :-( > > You've had a drink, so you use your disposable prethalyser to see if > you're safe to drive. It says you are, but now you don't have the > device you're legally required to have. That's a lovely instance of the "Catch-22" principle. They'll probably come in multi-packs. -- Paul Martin From daniel at pocock.com.au Wed Jun 27 15:40:15 2012 From: daniel at pocock.com.au (Daniel Pocock) Date: Wed, 27 Jun 2012 14:40:15 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Driving in Switzerland In-Reply-To: <20120627132242.GV23195@wacka.mjr.org> References: <5495dbf8ce796d0edb9c321efbe71de8@hogwarts.powdarrmonkey.net> <20120627092415.GA482@snag.biff.org.uk> <20120627131720.GA5485@einval.com> <20120627132242.GV23195@wacka.mjr.org> Message-ID: <4FEB1B4F.5070100@pocock.com.au> On 27/06/12 13:22, Paul Hedderly wrote: > On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 02:17:20PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 27, 2012 at 10:24:15AM +0100, Dave Holland wrote: >>> On Tue, Jun 26, 2012 at 02:31:42PM +0100, Jonathan Wiltshire wrote: >>>> Please could you advise on specific regulations for foreign drivers >>>> in Switzerland? >>> >>> If you're driving via France, then I read that carrying a breathalyzer >>> in the car will be compulsory from 1st July. >>> >>> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/news/9095573/Motorists-will-have-to-carry-portable-breathalyser-in-France.html >> >> *sigh* Pointless, and most likely only going to be enforced against >> tourists... :-( > > Oh good another reason not to go to France :) You can take the ferry to Dunkirk, drive over to Belgium and down through Germany - avoiding the French motorway tolls too. There are lots of youtube videos about the Swiss driving experience (maybe a gyroscope is more relevant than a breathalyzer for some people) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLoPlnqikrA From ben at decadent.org.uk Fri Jun 29 21:40:27 2012 From: ben at decadent.org.uk (Ben Hutchings) Date: Fri, 29 Jun 2012 21:40:27 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Sending a tripod to Nicaragua Message-ID: <20120629204027.GC1894@decadent.org.uk> The DebConf video team needs another tripod, and I have one but I'm not going to DebConf. Could someone in the Cambridge area take my tripod to Nicaragua with them (and return it)? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings We get into the habit of living before acquiring the habit of thinking. - Albert Camus From steve at einval.com Sat Jun 30 07:23:00 2012 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Sat, 30 Jun 2012 07:23:00 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Sending a tripod to Nicaragua In-Reply-To: <20120629204027.GC1894@decadent.org.uk> References: <20120629204027.GC1894@decadent.org.uk> Message-ID: <20120630062300.GF4092@einval.com> On Fri, Jun 29, 2012 at 09:40:27PM +0100, Ben Hutchings wrote: >The DebConf video team needs another tripod, and I have one but I'm >not going to DebConf. Could someone in the Cambridge area take my >tripod to Nicaragua with them (and return it)? Yeah, should be OK. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve at einval.com We don't need no education. We don't need no thought control.