From steve at einval.com Sat Mar 5 13:08:04 2011 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2011 13:08:04 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Road trip to DebConf 11? Message-ID: <20110305130804.GO5021@einval.com> Hey folks, As DebConf is in Europe again this year, a group of us are considering doing the trip by road. Yes, we're probably mad but the trip to Extremadura was fun and we expect this to be as well! http://j.mp/hxMx3g (www.viamichelin.com) suggests two reasonable routes cross-country from Cambridge to Banja Luka, taking roughly 18 hours each. By following the same plan as last time, I'd suggest something like: * Leave Cambridge early morning Friday 22nd July * Drive across a big chunk of Europe for 11 to 12 hours * Stop somewhere in Austria overnight * Leisurely start on Saturday 23rd, leave noon-ish * Drive 5 to 6 hours to Banja Luka ** DEBCONF ** * Leave Banja Luka early morning on Sunday 31st July * Drive 11 to 12 hours * Stop somewhere on the France/Germany border overnight * Monday 1st August: continue on back to the UK So, who fancies it? :-) I'll put this in a wiki page at some point... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve at einval.com You lock the door And throw away the key There's someone in my head but it's not me From joanne at einval.com Sat Mar 5 13:35:34 2011 From: joanne at einval.com (Jo Warner) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 13:35:34 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Road trip to DebConf 11? In-Reply-To: <20110305130804.GO5021@einval.com> References: <20110305130804.GO5021@einval.com> Message-ID: <4D723C26.7040001@einval.com> On 05/03/11 13:08, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Hey folks, > > As DebConf is in Europe again this year, a group of us are considering > doing the trip by road. Yes, we're probably mad but the trip to > Extremadura was fun and we expect this to be as well! > > http://j.mp/hxMx3g > > (www.viamichelin.com) suggests two reasonable routes cross-country > from Cambridge to Banja Luka, taking roughly 18 hours each. By > following the same plan as last time, I'd suggest something like: > > * Leave Cambridge early morning Friday 22nd July > * Drive across a big chunk of Europe for 11 to 12 hours > * Stop somewhere in Austria overnight > * Leisurely start on Saturday 23rd, leave noon-ish > * Drive 5 to 6 hours to Banja Luka > > ** DEBCONF ** > > * Leave Banja Luka early morning on Sunday 31st July > * Drive 11 to 12 hours > * Stop somewhere on the France/Germany border overnight > * Monday 1st August: continue on back to the UK > > So, who fancies it? :-) > > I'll put this in a wiki page at some point... > > Can I have a seat in a car please. Jo From ben at decadent.org.uk Sat Mar 5 22:56:43 2011 From: ben at decadent.org.uk (Ben Hutchings) Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2011 22:56:43 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Road trip to DebConf 11? In-Reply-To: <20110305130804.GO5021@einval.com> References: <20110305130804.GO5021@einval.com> Message-ID: <1299365803.12805.13.camel@localhost> On Sat, 2011-03-05 at 13:08 +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote: > Hey folks, > > As DebConf is in Europe again this year, a group of us are considering > doing the trip by road. Yes, we're probably mad but the trip to > Extremadura was fun and we expect this to be as well! [...] I'm interested in a road trip, but I am intending to go to DebCamp too. (Nattie is still thinking about trains and will need to be convinced.) Is anyone else interested in going for the full 2 weeks, and sharing the driving? Ben. -- Ben Hutchings Once a job is fouled up, anything done to improve it makes it worse. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Is anyone else interested in going for the full 2 weeks, > and sharing the driving? I was considering a road trip initially, but comparing the costs of travel by air and fuel for travel by road, I'm now thinking of going to DebCamp/Conf by air. (Rail actually looks quite awkward and previous attempts to book multi-company international train tickets meant wasting a LOT of time and going by air anyway). Going for the whole two weeks probably means I need to spend less time travelling to get work onside too. As it is, air looks like a change in either Frankfurt or Vienna then on to Zagreb as the direct flights to Zagreb all seem to be booked up already. (3hr bus trip from Zagreb to Banja Luka.) -- Neil Williams ============= http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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By >> following the same plan as last time, I'd suggest something like: >> >> * Leave Cambridge early morning Friday 22nd July >> * Drive across a big chunk of Europe for 11 to 12 hours >> * Stop somewhere in Austria overnight >> * Leisurely start on Saturday 23rd, leave noon-ish >> * Drive 5 to 6 hours to Banja Luka >> >> ** DEBCONF ** >> >> * Leave Banja Luka early morning on Sunday 31st July >> * Drive 11 to 12 hours >> * Stop somewhere on the France/Germany border overnight >> * Monday 1st August: continue on back to the UK >> >> So, who fancies it? :-) >> >> I'll put this in a wiki page at some point... >> >> > Can I have a seat in a car please. Jo I might also be persuaded to go. Depending on how many want to go (and how much it's going to cost me for hotel etc (might have to look into sponsorship?)) - I might be able to bring a second car. My insurance would cost me an extra ?29 per week (due to it being one of the countries that I'm exempted from in the EU), though - I can quite happily put a second driver on for the duration of the trip. (as I definately don't want to drive all that way) Once the wiki page goes up - I'll add this info... -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 900 bytes Desc: OpenPGP digital signature URL: From steve at einval.com Tue Mar 8 13:35:37 2011 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2011 13:35:37 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Road trip to DebConf 11? In-Reply-To: <20110305130804.GO5021@einval.com> References: <20110305130804.GO5021@einval.com> Message-ID: <20110308133537.GD20729@einval.com> On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 01:08:04PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote: >Hey folks, > >As DebConf is in Europe again this year, a group of us are considering >doing the trip by road. Yes, we're probably mad but the trip to >Extremadura was fun and we expect this to be as well! >I'll put this in a wiki page at some point... http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011 -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve at einval.com Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that there must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on the far end, and the goat, terminated over the SCSI chain with a silver-handled knife whilst burning *black* candles. --- Anthony DeBoer From michael.dorrington at gmail.com Sun Mar 13 20:51:28 2011 From: michael.dorrington at gmail.com (Michael Dorrington) Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2011 20:51:28 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] UCubed - an event to increase Debian involvement. Message-ID: <4D7D2E50.8080403@gmail.com> UCubed is a *gratis* one-day "Unworkshop" which aims to increase involvement with Debian, and Debian based distributions, and their upstream. The upstream includes projects like GNOME but also, for Debian based distributions, Debian itself. This is a great opportunity for Debian to gain more contributors and interest. We would really appreciate Debian speakers to help teach users how they can become more involved in the communities surrounding their favourite software. The event is at MadLab , Edge Street, Manchester on Saturday, 2nd April 2011, 10:00-17:00. Please visit http://ucubed.info/ to get your tickets and find out more about the event and location. Regards, Mike. From steve at einval.com Thu Mar 17 15:06:53 2011 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2011 15:06:53 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Road trip to DebConf 11? In-Reply-To: <20110308133537.GD20729@einval.com> References: <20110305130804.GO5021@einval.com> <20110308133537.GD20729@einval.com> Message-ID: <20110317150653.GL9440@einval.com> On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 01:35:37PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote: >On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 01:08:04PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote: >>Hey folks, >> >>As DebConf is in Europe again this year, a group of us are considering >>doing the trip by road. Yes, we're probably mad but the trip to >>Extremadura was fun and we expect this to be as well! > > > >>I'll put this in a wiki page at some point... > >http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011 Ping? No more takers? -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve at einval.com Google-bait: http://www.debian.org/CD/free-linux-cd Debian does NOT ship free CDs. Please do NOT contact the mailing lists asking us to send them to you. From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk Fri Mar 18 20:39:59 2011 From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:39:59 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge Message-ID: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> I'm going to Debconf by train. Having done my research, I now know which trains I'm going to be on. On the way out I will be taking a day to look around Sarajevo by myself, which produces quite a detour. On the way back I will depart on Sunday at 15:42 and be travelling straight back via Zagreb (arr 20:09), Munich (Muenchen hbf, 06:15 Monday), Cologne (Koeln hbf, 12:05 Monday), Paris (Nord, 14:32 Monday) and London (17:03 Monday). My complete schedule is below. If you would like to join me for part or all of my journey, please let me know. Prices are necessarily estimates. I intend to book each tickets immediately bookings for it open, to get the best prices. The earliest relevant booking horizon is 3rd of April. Ian. RETURN SUNDAY 31ST JULY 1549 Banja Luka train no.396 Seat61 reckons ~Eur30 2009 Zagreb Glavni Kolodvor Dinner, quickly, or on sleeper 2115 Zagreb Glavni Kolodvor bookings open D498 sleeper 1st May berths 1-3 pers Eur69/79/139pp MONDAY 1ST AUGUST 0615 Muenchen hbf Breakfast 0727 Muenchen hbf ICE 612 Eur69 bookings open 1205 Koeln hbf 2nd May Lunch 1243 Koeln hbf Thalys 9436 Eur29 1432 Paris Nord 1559 Paris Nord Eurostar 9045 L50 wants to be booked 1703 London St Pancras as a return 1715/45 London Kings Cross Timetable not yet released, times are guesses 1805/35 Cambridge OUTBOUND WEDNESDAY 20TH JULY 0945 Cambridge Timetable not yet released, times are guesses 1005 London Kings Cross 1101 London St Pancras Eurostar 9020 bookings open 1417 Paris Nord 3rd April 1524 Paris Est bookings open TGV 9575 20th April 2132 Muenchen hbf Dinner 2340 Muenchen hbf EN463 sleeper THURSDAY 21ST JULY 0832 Budapest Kelenfold ( 0849 Budapest Keleti Pu ) Breakfast 1003 Budapest Kelenfold bookings open IC 259 21st April 2109 Sarajevo FRIDAY 22ND JULY Sarajevo SATURDAY 23RD JULY 1042 Sarajevo train no.396 1542 Banja Luka From steve at einval.com Fri Mar 18 22:19:13 2011 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:19:13 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge In-Reply-To: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: <20110318221913.GI13627@einval.com> On Fri, Mar 18, 2011 at 08:39:59PM +0000, Ian Jackson wrote: >I'm going to Debconf by train. Having done my research, I now know >which trains I'm going to be on. On the way out I will be taking a >day to look around Sarajevo by myself, which produces quite a detour. > >On the way back I will depart on Sunday at 15:42 and be travelling >straight back via Zagreb (arr 20:09), Munich (Muenchen hbf, 06:15 >Monday), Cologne (Koeln hbf, 12:05 Monday), Paris (Nord, 14:32 Monday) >and London (17:03 Monday). > >My complete schedule is below. If you would like to join me for part >or all of my journey, please let me know. Prices are necessarily >estimates. > >I intend to book each tickets immediately bookings for it open, to get >the best prices. The earliest relevant booking horizon is 3rd of >April. Ah, cool. I was actually looking at just this kind of information today and added a summary to http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011 in case it might be useful. Please add your details there instead? :-) -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve at einval.com You raise the blade, you make the change... You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane... From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk Sat Mar 19 01:05:57 2011 From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 01:05:57 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge In-Reply-To: <20110318221913.GI13627@einval.com> References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <20110318221913.GI13627@einval.com> Message-ID: <19844.373.554025.659006@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Steve McIntyre writes ("Re: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge"): > Ah, cool. I was actually looking at just this kind of information > today and added a summary to http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011 in > case it might be useful. Please add your details there instead? :-) I've rewritten that bit and provided some example itineraries. Thanks for the prod :-). Ian. From debian-uk at paul.sladen.org Fri Mar 18 22:11:26 2011 From: debian-uk at paul.sladen.org (Paul Sladen) Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2011 22:11:26 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge In-Reply-To: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On Fri, 18 Mar 2011, Ian Jackson wrote: > day to look around Sarajevo by myself, which produces quite a detour. Yeah, because of the timings this was my conclusion too---preferable to overshoot futher down the Balkan Peninsula, arriving to Banja Luka from the south and exiting again to the north. > I intend to book each tickets immediately bookings for it open, Tentative plan is to Interrail it since that gives the ultimate freedom to "pop via Berlin/Barcelona/Helsinki/Istanbul" etc for nomimally the same price----you always have a valid ticket which just makes life easier(tm) and gives better routeing flexibility too. Interrail Global Pass 5/10 days is 259euros and should cover your plan. Interrail sadly doesn't cover the Eurostar (+/-120 euro return) and you end up paying +/-15 euros for Couchettes per leg and +/-10 euros if you get on a TGV (nb. ICE is free now). So probably 400euros plus your Cambridge ticket, or 300 euros from anywhere else in Europe. -Paul From thomas at koch.ro Sat Mar 19 07:56:19 2011 From: thomas at koch.ro (Thomas Koch) Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2011 08:56:19 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge In-Reply-To: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: <201103190856.19743.thomas@koch.ro> Ian Jackson: > I'm going to Debconf by train. Having done my research, I now know Hi Ian, nice! I love train traveling. Have you considered going via Okucani? It's only ~70 Kilometers away from Banja Luka but much better connected.[1] I plan to go this route, but I'd need help from the local team for the route Okucani-Banja Luka. So it would be good, if we could find a larger group that goes via Okucani. Paris-Okucani takes less then 20 hours: Paris Est 15:24 M?nchen Hbf 21:37 M?nchen Hbf 23:40 Okucani 10:49 [1] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/BanjaLuka#Arrival Best regards, Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk Sun Mar 20 15:50:14 2011 From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 15:50:14 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge In-Reply-To: <201103190856.19743.thomas@koch.ro> References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <201103190856.19743.thomas@koch.ro> Message-ID: <19846.8758.95000.20173@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Thomas Koch writes ("Re: Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge"): > Paris-Okucani takes less then 20 hours: > Paris Est 15:24 > M?nchen Hbf 21:37 > M?nchen Hbf 23:40 > Okucani 10:49 Can you tell me where you got that information ? bahn.hafas.de shows two departures from Munich at 23:40, the sleepers to Budapest and Zagreb (which are the same train at departure and split after Salzburg). The Budapest sleeper (EN463) terminates at 08:49 and the Zagreb sleeper (D499) at 08:40. > [1] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/BanjaLuka#Arrival This mentions EN465/D415 which runs from Zurich. Ian. From thomas at koch.ro Sun Mar 20 17:28:30 2011 From: thomas at koch.ro (Thomas Koch) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 18:28:30 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge In-Reply-To: <19846.8758.95000.20173@chiark.greenend.org.uk> References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <201103190856.19743.thomas@koch.ro> <19846.8758.95000.20173@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: <201103201828.31444.thomas@koch.ro> Ian Jackson: > Thomas Koch writes ("Re: Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge"): > > Paris-Okucani takes less then 20 hours: > > Paris Est 15:24 > > M?nchen Hbf 21:37 > > M?nchen Hbf 23:40 > > Okucani 10:49 > > Can you tell me where you got that information ? bahn.hafas.de shows > two departures from Munich at 23:40, the sleepers to Budapest and > Zagreb (which are the same train at departure and split after > Salzburg). The Budapest sleeper (EN463) terminates at 08:49 and the > Zagreb sleeper (D499) at 08:40. Yes, the Zagreb sleeper D499 stops at Okucani at 10:49. Just search directly for M?nchen-Okucani. The train from Z?rich arrives at 12:53, so if you'd wait a little bit, a bus could be organised for both trains. Best regards, Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro From jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com Sun Mar 20 18:35:57 2011 From: jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com (Mike Dupont) Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2011 19:35:57 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge In-Reply-To: <19846.8758.95000.20173@chiark.greenend.org.uk> References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <201103190856.19743.thomas@koch.ro> <19846.8758.95000.20173@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: HI all, I was wondering if any of you are interested in visiting some other free software groups in the balkans when you are down there. I have good contacts in Prishtina, Tirana, Skopje, Thessaloniki, Belgrade etc, if anyone is interested for example to visit and talk in Prishtina, I would love to book you for our flossk team. If you are interested, drop a line to info at flossk.org and we can arrange something. thanks, mike On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 4:50 PM, Ian Jackson < ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote: > Thomas Koch writes ("Re: Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, > London, Cambridge"): > > Paris-Okucani takes less then 20 hours: > > Paris Est 15:24 > > M?nchen Hbf 21:37 > > M?nchen Hbf 23:40 > > Okucani 10:49 > > Can you tell me where you got that information ? bahn.hafas.de shows > two departures from Munich at 23:40, the sleepers to Budapest and > Zagreb (which are the same train at departure and split after > Salzburg). The Budapest sleeper (EN463) terminates at 08:49 and the > Zagreb sleeper (D499) at 08:40. > > > [1] http://wiki.debconf.org/wiki/DebConf11/BanjaLuka#Arrival > > This mentions EN465/D415 which runs from Zurich. > > Ian. > > > -- > To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to debian-devel-REQUEST at lists.debian.org > with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact > listmaster at lists.debian.org > Archive: > http://lists.debian.org/19846.8758.95000.20173 at chiark.greenend.org.uk > > -- James Michael DuPont Member of Free Libre Open Source Software Kosova and Albania flossk.org flossal.org -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk Mon Mar 21 11:16:47 2011 From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 11:16:47 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge In-Reply-To: <201103201828.31444.thomas@koch.ro> References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <201103190856.19743.thomas@koch.ro> <19846.8758.95000.20173@chiark.greenend.org.uk> <201103201828.31444.thomas@koch.ro> Message-ID: <19847.13215.674092.194853@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Thomas Koch writes ("Re: Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge"): > > Can you tell me where you got that information ? bahn.hafas.de shows > > two departures from Munich at 23:40, the sleepers to Budapest and > > Zagreb (which are the same train at departure and split after > > Salzburg). The Budapest sleeper (EN463) terminates at 08:49 and the > > Zagreb sleeper (D499) at 08:40. > > Yes, the Zagreb sleeper D499 stops at Okucani at 10:49. Just search > directly for M?nchen-Okucani. The train from Z?rich arrives at > 12:53, so if you'd wait a little bit, a bus could be organised for > both trains. Ah, I see now. Hrm, that might be a better plan than the train to Banja Luka itself. On the return trip, the sleeper for Munich via Zagreb departs Okucani at 18:55, compared to leaving Banja Luka at 1549 with an hour's change in Zagreb. I wouldn't rely on dinner being available on board. Ian. From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk Mon Mar 21 14:59:38 2011 From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 14:59:38 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge In-Reply-To: References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: <19847.26586.698897.737048@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Paul Sladen writes ("Re: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge"): > Interrail Global Pass 5/10 days is 259euros and should cover your > plan. Interrail sadly doesn't cover the Eurostar (+/-120 euro return) > and you end up paying +/-15 euros for Couchettes per leg and +/-10 > euros if you get on a TGV (nb. ICE is free now). So probably 400euros > plus your Cambridge ticket, or 300 euros from anywhere else in Europe. Can you get a proper sleeper berth on Interrail ? Ian. From debian-uk at paul.sladen.org Mon Mar 21 16:16:47 2011 From: debian-uk at paul.sladen.org (Paul Sladen) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 16:16:47 +0000 (GMT) Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge In-Reply-To: <19847.26586.698897.737048@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 21 Mar 2011, Ian Jackson wrote: > Paul Sladen writes ("Re: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge"): > > and you end up paying +/-15 euros for Couchettes per leg > Can you get a proper sleeper berth on Interrail ? Of course. The Interrail ticket takes care of the travel component and so removes any doubt about you validity of being on the train (except for Eurostar and the Stockholm Arlanda Airport Express). You just pay the reservation/upgrade fee for whatever comfort you like. (Zero for unreserved travel, 3-5euro for a seat, 15-20 for a couchette, up to 150euros for a private posh berth overnight). Being a single CIV ticket it also removes any doubt about dealing with missed connections; having a 3 euro reservation from Paris to Le Harve (for a ferry to Portsmouth) once saved my bacon after the Copenhagen---Koln sleeper was delayed by two hours. DB bought me a shiney new 259 euro Eurostar ticket to ensure I got to the wedding in time. Being a single, pre-issued ticket CIV, it saves all those strange conversations in strange languages when there's only 3-minutes to change trains. You already /have/ a ticket with universal validity and just get on the train and worry about paying for your seat/bed later, if the worst comes to the worst. This is particularly handy on the X2000 trains in Sweden which are otherwise mandatory reservation. Tickets and reservations are different things and you can make use of this; if I need to be on a specific train in order to make certain combinations of events work (UDS->Linuxtag) but aren't sure if I'm going to them, I sometimes book the reservations in advance and then get the expensive ticket itself closer to the time. It all depends, sometimes (for say Berlin<->London) a pre-booked DB Spezial ticket (with 46 hour forced stop-over in Brussels for FOSDEM) works out better, but as soon as you're spending a couple of hundred euros the open "Travelcard" convience of an Interrail Global Pass wins out hands down, it's just annoying if you live in Finland or the British Isles where you first have to pay for a ticket across the water, or if you live in Germany where it's not valid within the borders (and most European journeys are going to pass through Germany). -Paul From luca at pca.it Mon Mar 21 12:51:33 2011 From: luca at pca.it (Luca Capello) Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2011 13:51:33 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge In-Reply-To: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> (Ian Jackson's message of "Fri, 18 Mar 2011 20:39:59 +0000") References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk> Message-ID: <87tyewmyay.fsf@gismo.pca.it> Hi there! On Fri, 18 Mar 2011 21:39:59 +0100, Ian Jackson wrote: > I'm going to Debconf by train. Having done my research, I now know > which trains I'm going to be on. On the way out I will be taking a > day to look around Sarajevo by myself, which produces quite a detour. Nothing against you, Ian, but why is this discussed on debian-devel@ and not on debconf-discuss@ (cc:ed) or debian-events-eu@? Thx, bye, Gismo / Luca -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: not available URL: