From steve at einval.com  Thu Apr  7 16:44:01 2011
From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 16:44:01 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Road trip to DebConf 11?
In-Reply-To: <20110317150653.GL9440@einval.com>
References: <20110305130804.GO5021@einval.com>
	<20110308133537.GD20729@einval.com>
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On Thu, Mar 17, 2011 at 03:06:53PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>On Tue, Mar 08, 2011 at 01:35:37PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>On Sat, Mar 05, 2011 at 01:08:04PM +0000, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>>>Hey folks,
>>>
>>>As DebConf is in Europe again this year, a group of us are considering
>>>doing the trip by road. Yes, we're probably mad but the trip to
>>>Extremadura was fun and we expect this to be as well!
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>I'll put this in a wiki page at some point...
>>
>>http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011
>
>Ping? No more takers?

Last call for people interested in the road trip from the UK. If
you're interested, add yourself to the wiki page here. We'll be in
touch next week to confirm, then it's time to start looking at:

 * hotel and ferry bookings
 * working out who's travelling in which car
 * insurance
 * logistics: motorway passes, low emissions zone passes etc.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve at einval.com
"I suspect most samba developers are already technically insane... Of
 course, since many of them are Australians, you can't tell." -- Linus Torvalds



From thomas at koch.ro  Fri Apr  8 09:33:34 2011
From: thomas at koch.ro (Thomas Koch)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 10:33:34 +0200
Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London,
	Cambridge
In-Reply-To: <1302250688.9136.20.camel@kirk>
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Joachim Breitner:
> Hi,
> 
> Am Montag, den 21.03.2011, 11:16 +0000 schrieb Ian Jackson:
> > Thomas Koch writes ("Re: Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, 
London, Cambridge"):
> > > > Can you tell me where you got that information ?  bahn.hafas.de shows
> > > > two departures from Munich at 23:40, the sleepers to Budapest and
> > > > Zagreb (which are the same train at departure and split after
> > > > Salzburg).  The Budapest sleeper (EN463) terminates at 08:49 and the
> > > > Zagreb sleeper (D499) at 08:40.
> > > 
> > > Yes, the Zagreb sleeper D499 stops at Okucani at 10:49. Just search
> > > directly for M?nchen-Okucani. The train from Z?rich arrives at
> > > 12:53, so if you'd wait a little bit, a bus could be organised for
> > > both trains.
> > 
> > Ah, I see now.  Hrm, that might be a better plan than the train to
> > Banja Luka itself.
> > 
> > On the return trip, the sleeper for Munich via Zagreb departs Okucani
> > at 18:55, compared to leaving Banja Luka at 1549 with an hour's change
> > in Zagreb.
> > 
> > I wouldn't rely on dinner being available on board.
> 
> Thomas put in the wiki that he is only joining for DebConf, not DebCamp.
> What about you, Ian, are you taking the train for DebConf or DebCamp?
> 
> I?d like to attend both and also take the train from Munich, and would
> appreciate company. Anybody interested?
> 
> Also, Thomas, do you a rough estimate how expensive the train is?
> bahn.de does not give that information yet.
No idea how much it'll be. Trips to Romania with a sleeper from Z?rich to 
Budapest are ~225Euro for two ways. (I bought a bit late.) I expect the trip 
to Bosnia to be cheaper then that.
I buy my tickets by phone at http://gleisnost.de - These people are the best 
when it comes to east european tickets. They buy tickets from different 
European railway companies to get the cheapest prize and know a lot about 
cross-border ticket hacks.

Regards,

Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro


From samtuke at fsfe.org  Thu Apr  7 16:57:20 2011
From: samtuke at fsfe.org (Sam Tuke)
Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 16:57:20 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Road trip to DebConf 11?
In-Reply-To: <20110407154400.GC21288@einval.com>
References: <20110305130804.GO5021@einval.com>
	<20110317150653.GL9440@einval.com>
	<20110407154400.GC21288@einval.com>
Message-ID: <201104071657.21248.samtuke@fsfe.org>

On Thursday 07 April 2011 16:44:01 Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >>>I'll put this in a wiki page at some point...
> >>
> >>http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011
> >
> >Ping? No more takers?

I'd like to go, depending on likely costs. If you're looking for more people, 
have you emailed all the LUGs? What about other lists (like Manchester Free 
Software, or FSFE's Fellowship-uk list)?

Sorry if I'm covering old ground; I just joined this list and the archives 
appear to be inaccessible.

Thanks,

Sam.

-- 
Sam Tuke
British Team Coordinator
Free Software Foundation Europe
IM : samtuke at jabber.fsfe.org
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From steve at einval.com  Fri Apr  8 13:10:54 2011
From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 13:10:54 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Road trip to DebConf 11?
In-Reply-To: <201104071657.21248.samtuke@fsfe.org>
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On Thu, Apr 07, 2011 at 04:57:20PM +0100, Sam Tuke wrote:
>On Thursday 07 April 2011 16:44:01 Steve McIntyre wrote:
>> >>>I'll put this in a wiki page at some point...
>> >>
>> >>http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011
>> >
>> >Ping? No more takers?
>
>I'd like to go, depending on likely costs. If you're looking for more people, 
>have you emailed all the LUGs? What about other lists (like Manchester Free 
>Software, or FSFE's Fellowship-uk list)?

I've not, no. Feel free to pass it on if you like...

>Sorry if I'm covering old ground; I just joined this list and the archives 
>appear to be inaccessible.

Hmm, that's odd. They should be public. /me checks.

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve at einval.com
"Because heaters aren't purple!" -- Catherine Pitt



From nomeata at debian.org  Fri Apr  8 09:18:08 2011
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Fri, 08 Apr 2011 13:48:08 +0530
Subject: [Debian-uk] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London,
	Cambridge
In-Reply-To: <19847.13215.674092.194853@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
	<201103190856.19743.thomas@koch.ro>
	<19846.8758.95000.20173@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
	<201103201828.31444.thomas@koch.ro>
	<19847.13215.674092.194853@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <1302250688.9136.20.camel@kirk>

Hi,

Am Montag, den 21.03.2011, 11:16 +0000 schrieb Ian Jackson:
> Thomas Koch writes ("Re: Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge"):
> > > Can you tell me where you got that information ?  bahn.hafas.de shows
> > > two departures from Munich at 23:40, the sleepers to Budapest and
> > > Zagreb (which are the same train at departure and split after
> > > Salzburg).  The Budapest sleeper (EN463) terminates at 08:49 and the
> > > Zagreb sleeper (D499) at 08:40.
> >
> > Yes, the Zagreb sleeper D499 stops at Okucani at 10:49. Just search
> > directly for M?nchen-Okucani. The train from Z?rich arrives at
> > 12:53, so if you'd wait a little bit, a bus could be organised for
> > both trains.
> 
> Ah, I see now.  Hrm, that might be a better plan than the train to
> Banja Luka itself.
> 
> On the return trip, the sleeper for Munich via Zagreb departs Okucani
> at 18:55, compared to leaving Banja Luka at 1549 with an hour's change
> in Zagreb.
> 
> I wouldn't rely on dinner being available on board.

Thomas put in the wiki that he is only joining for DebConf, not DebCamp.
What about you, Ian, are you taking the train for DebConf or DebCamp?

I?d like to attend both and also take the train from Munich, and would
appreciate company. Anybody interested?

Also, Thomas, do you a rough estimate how expensive the train is?
bahn.de does not give that information yet.

Greetings,
Joachim

-- 
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Debian Developer
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From erinn at double-helix.org  Fri Apr  8 11:58:51 2011
From: erinn at double-helix.org (Erinn Clark)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 12:58:51 +0200
Subject: [Debian-uk] [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich,
	Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge
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* Joachim Breitner <nomeata at debian.org> [2011:04:08 13:48 +0530]: 
> Also, Thomas, do you a rough estimate how expensive the train is?
> bahn.de does not give that information yet.

I'm not sure if this is useful information for you, but I took a one-way on DB
from Berlin to Zagreb for about 90 euros about a month ago. It was on sale, but
a 225 euro round-trip seems reasonably likely.
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From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk  Fri Apr  8 16:00:38 2011
From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson)
Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 16:00:38 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich,
	Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge
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Erinn Clark writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge"):
> I'm not sure if this is useful information for you, but I took a
> one-way on DB from Berlin to Zagreb for about 90 euros about a month
> ago. It was on sale, but a 225 euro round-trip seems reasonably
> likely.

The very cheapest special offer singles on the day train Munich-Zagreb
are Eur39, dep Munich 0652 arriving Zagreb 1533.

The sleeper, which I will be taking on the way back, depends on the
quality of accomodation and the number of people.  Here is what seat61
says:

 3. Munich to Zagreb on the Lisinski:
	  In a seat:	 In a couchette 		In the sleeping-car
        	    		6-berth	4-berth		3-berth 2-berth single
  One way	29	 	49 	59 		69 	79  	139
  Return	58 		98 	118 		138 	158 	278

(All the above are the cheapest available special offer fares.)

I will be travelling back on the sleeper departing on Sunday the 31st
of July in the sleeping car, and would be happy to share with 2 or 3
other Debconf attendees.  I will need to know by before the 1st of May
who will be joining me, as that's when bookings open.

On the way out I'll be travelling by myself via Sarajevo.  For those
of you travelling out by train, bookings open around the 22nd of April,
so decisions need to be made soon.

Ian.

See also http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011


From nomeata at debian.org  Sat Apr  9 10:56:14 2011
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 15:26:14 +0530
Subject: [Debian-uk] [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich,
 Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge
In-Reply-To: <19871.8982.457356.313074@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
	<201103190856.19743.thomas@koch.ro>
	<19846.8758.95000.20173@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
	<201103201828.31444.thomas@koch.ro>
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Hi,

Am Freitag, den 08.04.2011, 16:00 +0100 schrieb Ian Jackson:
> Erinn Clark writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge"):
> > I'm not sure if this is useful information for you, but I took a
> > one-way on DB from Berlin to Zagreb for about 90 euros about a month
> > ago. It was on sale, but a 225 euro round-trip seems reasonably
> > likely.
> 
> The very cheapest special offer singles on the day train Munich-Zagreb
> are Eur39, dep Munich 0652 arriving Zagreb 1533.
> 
> The sleeper, which I will be taking on the way back, depends on the
> quality of accomodation and the number of people.  Here is what seat61
> says:
> 
>  3. Munich to Zagreb on the Lisinski:
> 	  In a seat:	 In a couchette 		In the sleeping-car
>         	    		6-berth	4-berth		3-berth 2-berth single
>   One way	29	 	49 	59 		69 	79  	139
>   Return	58 		98 	118 		138 	158 	278
> 
> (All the above are the cheapest available special offer fares.)
> 
> I will be travelling back on the sleeper departing on Sunday the 31st
> of July in the sleeping car, and would be happy to share with 2 or 3
> other Debconf attendees.  I will need to know by before the 1st of May
> who will be joining me, as that's when bookings open.

thanks for the info.

When you say Munich ? Zagreb, you refer to the same train as Thomas
does, when talking about Munich ? Novska, right? According to the data
on http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011, there is not a suitable train
connection to Zagreb to Banja Luka (13 minutes is not enough after a
night train). Thomas, do you already try to find out there is a way
(e.g. a bus) to get from Novska to Banja Luka if we do not try to hire a
car for a group of people? http://www.akz.hr/EN/voznired.aspx does not
list any. From Zagreb to Banja Luka there are busses about every two
hours, and they take three hours, according to the same webpage.

On the way back, Ian?s choice of trains suit me perfectly from Banja
Luka until Munich. Ian, will you book for everyone joining, so that we
are sure to share one compartment? This would be doubly convenient for
me as I am traveling in India on May 1st and could not book myself until
later.

For the way there, I?d be glad if more people would join me from Munich
on. I plan to attend DebCamp, so I would depart on the 17th. Anybody
interested? Or maybe DebConf is enough this year... guess I should make
up my mind soon :-)

Greetings,
Joachim



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From thomas at koch.ro  Sat Apr  9 11:26:22 2011
From: thomas at koch.ro (Thomas Koch)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 12:26:22 +0200
Subject: [Debian-uk] [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich,
	Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge
In-Reply-To: <1302342974.2450.34.camel@kirk>
References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
	<19871.8982.457356.313074@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
	<1302342974.2450.34.camel@kirk>
Message-ID: <201104091226.23191.thomas@koch.ro>

Joachim Breitner:
> Hi,
> 
> Am Freitag, den 08.04.2011, 16:00 +0100 schrieb Ian Jackson:
> > Erinn Clark writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich, 
Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge"):
> > > I'm not sure if this is useful information for you, but I took a
> > > one-way on DB from Berlin to Zagreb for about 90 euros about a month
> > > ago. It was on sale, but a 225 euro round-trip seems reasonably
> > > likely.
> > 
> > The very cheapest special offer singles on the day train Munich-Zagreb
> > are Eur39, dep Munich 0652 arriving Zagreb 1533.
> > 
> > The sleeper, which I will be taking on the way back, depends on the
> > quality of accomodation and the number of people.  Here is what seat61
> > 
> > says:
> >  3. Munich to Zagreb on the Lisinski:
> > 	  In a seat:	 In a couchette 		In the sleeping-car
> > 	  
> >         	    		6-berth	4-berth		3-berth 2-berth single
> >   
> >   One way	29	 	49 	59 		69 	79  	139
> >   Return	58 		98 	118 		138 	158 	278
> > 
> > (All the above are the cheapest available special offer fares.)
> > 
> > I will be travelling back on the sleeper departing on Sunday the 31st
> > of July in the sleeping car, and would be happy to share with 2 or 3
> > other Debconf attendees.  I will need to know by before the 1st of May
> > who will be joining me, as that's when bookings open.
> 
> thanks for the info.
> 
> When you say Munich ? Zagreb, you refer to the same train as Thomas
> does, when talking about Munich ? Novska, right? According to the data
> on http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011, there is not a suitable train
> connection to Zagreb to Banja Luka (13 minutes is not enough after a
> night train). Thomas, do you already try to find out there is a way
> (e.g. a bus) to get from Novska to Banja Luka if we do not try to hire a
> car for a group of people? http://www.akz.hr/EN/voznired.aspx does not
> list any. From Zagreb to Banja Luka there are busses about every two
> hours, and they take three hours, according to the same webpage.
> 
> On the way back, Ian?s choice of trains suit me perfectly from Banja
> Luka until Munich. Ian, will you book for everyone joining, so that we
> are sure to share one compartment? This would be doubly convenient for
> me as I am traveling in India on May 1st and could not book myself until
> later.
> 
> For the way there, I?d be glad if more people would join me from Munich
> on. I plan to attend DebCamp, so I would depart on the 17th. Anybody
> interested? Or maybe DebConf is enough this year... guess I should make
> up my mind soon :-)
I did not find any suitable train of bus connection from either Zagreb nor 
Novska to Banja Luka.
In Romania prices to rent a bus are amazingly cheap so I'd very much prefer to 
kindly ask our hosts to arrange this for us.

If I'd end up being the only one coming from Z?rich, I could also switch to 
take the other train from Munich with you.

Regards,

Thomas Koch, http://www.koch.ro


From nomeata at debian.org  Sat Apr  9 11:36:56 2011
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Sat, 09 Apr 2011 16:06:56 +0530
Subject: [Debian-uk] [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich,
 Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge
In-Reply-To: <201104091226.23191.thomas@koch.ro>
References: <19843.49951.536701.716017@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
	<19871.8982.457356.313074@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
	<1302342974.2450.34.camel@kirk>  <201104091226.23191.thomas@koch.ro>
Message-ID: <1302345416.2450.49.camel@kirk>

Hi,

Am Samstag, den 09.04.2011, 12:26 +0200 schrieb Thomas Koch:
> I did not find any suitable train of bus connection from either Zagreb nor 
> Novska to Banja Luka.

For Zagreb ? Banja Luka, I find buses via
http://www.akz.hr/EN/voznired.aspx

For example, for the 18th of April (Juli is not available yet) there are
busses leaving 06:30, 09:00, 10:30, 12:30, 15:00, 16:30, 20:00, 22:00.
So if we arrive at 8:40 in Zagreb, we can easily catch the 10:30 bus
(assuming it runs on that day) and reach Banja Luka by 12:50 for 108
Croatian kn.

> In Romania prices to rent a bus are amazingly cheap so I'd very much prefer to 
> kindly ask our hosts to arrange this for us.
> 
> If I'd end up being the only one coming from Z?rich, I could also switch to 
> take the other train from Munich with you.

But you are only attending DebConf, right? I?m more likely to attend
both.

Greetings,
Joachim

-- 
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Debian Developer
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From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk  Sat Apr  9 19:27:37 2011
From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson)
Date: Sat, 9 Apr 2011 19:27:37 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich,
 Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge
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Joachim Breitner writes ("Re: [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich, Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge"):
> When you say Munich - Zagreb, you refer to the same train as Thomas
> does, when talking about Munich - Novska, right? According to the data
> on http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011, there is not a suitable train
> connection to Zagreb to Banja Luka (13 minutes is not enough after a
> night train).

Yes, I think that may be the one I mean.  I haven't thought about it
in detail because I won't be on it :-).

> Thomas, do you already try to find out there is a way (e.g. a bus) [...]

I see we have answers from Joachim, thanks.

> On the way back, Ian's choice of trains suit me perfectly from Banja
> Luka until Munich. Ian, will you book for everyone joining, so that we
> are sure to share one compartment? This would be doubly convenient for
> me as I am traveling in India on May 1st and could not book myself until
> later.

Yes, I would be happy to book from Banja Luka to Munich for anyone
that would like to join us.  I intend to book the sleeper from Zagreb
when bookings open and buy the local train ticket much closer to the
time.

I will ask Deutsche Bahn whether it is likely to be easy/possible/
difficult/expensive to change a booking from Zagreb to one from
Okucani, since if we can find suitable local road transport from Banja
Luka to Okucani that may be preferable to taking the train to Zagreb -
mostly because the Zagreb connection is 1h and I'm not sure how
reliable the local train is.

Ian.


From nomeata at debian.org  Sat Apr  9 19:37:16 2011
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 00:07:16 +0530
Subject: [Debian-uk] [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich,
 Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge
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Message-ID: <1302374236.2450.65.camel@kirk>

Hi,

Am Samstag, den 09.04.2011, 19:27 +0100 schrieb Ian Jackson:
> > On the way back, Ian's choice of trains suit me perfectly from Banja
> > Luka until Munich. Ian, will you book for everyone joining, so that we
> > are sure to share one compartment? This would be doubly convenient for
> > me as I am traveling in India on May 1st and could not book myself until
> > later.
> 
> Yes, I would be happy to book from Banja Luka to Munich for anyone
> that would like to join us.  I intend to book the sleeper from Zagreb
> when bookings open and buy the local train ticket much closer to the
> time.

Thanks. Count me in!

(I am assuming that it is quite likely that accommodation sponsorship
will be available for me, so I guess I can book before getting the
official confirmation.)

> I will ask Deutsche Bahn whether it is likely to be easy/possible/
> difficult/expensive to change a booking from Zagreb to one from
> Okucani, since if we can find suitable local road transport from Banja
> Luka to Okucani that may be preferable to taking the train to Zagreb -
> mostly because the Zagreb connection is 1h and I'm not sure how
> reliable the local train is.

It should not make a great price difference to book from Okucani to have
the choice, although with some carriers your tickets is invalid if you
board later.

Or we could take a bus from Banja Luka to Zagreb with more clearance.


BTW, there is a bus going from Germany (Mannheim, Karlsruhe, Stuttgart ?
I?m offline at the moment, so this is from memory. I think it also stops
in Munich) directly to Banja Luka. This might be an interesting option
for the way there, especially for the Karlsruhers ? Phil, what do you
think? I don?t have any detail yet about price and comfort level,
though.


Greetings,
Joachim

-- 
Joachim "nomeata" Breitner
Debian Developer
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From nomeata at debian.org  Sun Apr 10 10:45:35 2011
From: nomeata at debian.org (Joachim Breitner)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 15:15:35 +0530
Subject: [Debian-uk] [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich,
 Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge
In-Reply-To: <20110410093639.GA5615@thrall.0x539.de>
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	<19846.8758.95000.20173@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
	<201103201828.31444.thomas@koch.ro>
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	<1302374236.2450.65.camel@kirk> <20110410093639.GA5615@thrall.0x539.de>
Message-ID: <1302428735.2457.45.camel@kirk>

Hi,

Am Sonntag, den 10.04.2011, 11:36 +0200 schrieb Philipp Kern:
> On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 12:07:16AM +0530, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> > BTW, there is a bus going from Germany (Mannheim, Karlsruhe, Stuttgart ?
> > I?m offline at the moment, so this is from memory. I think it also stops
> > in Munich) directly to Banja Luka. This might be an interesting option
> > for the way there, especially for the Karlsruhers ? Phil, what do you
> > think? I don?t have any detail yet about price and comfort level,
> > though.
> 
> I'd rather perfer not spending 24h in a bus[1], TBH.  Night trains sound like a
> better idea to me.
>
> [1] From http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/tt/773f1/ which was pretty much
>     the first hit on Google.

my source is
http://www.busfahrkarte.eu/Fahrplan/bosnien/t416-deutschland-banjaluka-bijeljina.html
where the trip takes 16h (14:00 to 5:45), which is not too bad. And
given that there are no connections to miss, I think it?s something we
should alt least keep in mind.

But I agree that trains are nicer. I guess it depends on whether we can
conveniently reach Banja Luka from Novska. Is someone from the local
team reading this and can tell us if renting a car for that distance is
viable and affordable?

Greetings,
Joachim

-- 
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Debian Developer
  nomeata at debian.org | ICQ# 74513189 | GPG-Keyid: 4743206C
  JID: nomeata at joachim-breitner.de | http://people.debian.org/~nomeata
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From pkern at debian.org  Sun Apr 10 10:36:39 2011
From: pkern at debian.org (Philipp Kern)
Date: Sun, 10 Apr 2011 11:36:39 +0200
Subject: [Debian-uk] [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich,
 Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge
In-Reply-To: <1302374236.2450.65.camel@kirk>
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Message-ID: <20110410093639.GA5615@thrall.0x539.de>

On Sun, Apr 10, 2011 at 12:07:16AM +0530, Joachim Breitner wrote:
> BTW, there is a bus going from Germany (Mannheim, Karlsruhe, Stuttgart ?
> I?m offline at the moment, so this is from memory. I think it also stops
> in Munich) directly to Banja Luka. This might be an interesting option
> for the way there, especially for the Karlsruhers ? Phil, what do you
> think? I don?t have any detail yet about price and comfort level,
> though.

I'd rather perfer not spending 24h in a bus[1], TBH.  Night trains sound like a
better idea to me.

Kind regards
Philipp Kern

[1] From http://members.virtualtourist.com/m/tt/773f1/ which was pretty much
    the first hit on Google.
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From phil at hands.com  Tue Apr 26 11:23:06 2011
From: phil at hands.com (Philip Hands)
Date: Tue, 26 Apr 2011 11:23:06 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] [Debconf-discuss] Trains from Debconf to Munich,
	Koeln, Paris, London, Cambridge
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	<201103190856.19743.thomas@koch.ro>
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On Sat, 9 Apr 2011 19:27:37 +0100, Ian Jackson <ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
> Yes, I would be happy to book from Banja Luka to Munich for anyone
> that would like to join us.  I intend to book the sleeper from Zagreb
> when bookings open and buy the local train ticket much closer to the
> time.

Hi Ian,

I know I'm late to the party, but was wondering what the current
situation was regarding bookings.

I'm hoping to travel by train, and attend DebCamp, so would like to be
part of your return booking if that's still a possibility.

BTW Are any others likely to be going out for the beginning of DebCamp by
train?

Cheers, Phil.
-- 
|)|  Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560]    http://www.hands.com/
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|(|  10 Onslow Gardens, South Woodford, London  E18 1NE  ENGLAND
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From ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk  Sat Apr 30 16:14:55 2011
From: ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk (Ian Jackson)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:14:55 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Debconf return train booking via Zagreb and Munich
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Message-ID: <19900.10095.570825.171619@chiark.greenend.org.uk>

I wrote:
>   LEG                            TRAVEL DATE        BOOKINGS OPEN
...
>   Banja Luka to Zagreb           Sun 31st July      I will buy in person
>   Sleeper from Zagreb to Munich  31st July / 1 Aug  Sun 1st May ***
>   German day trains to Paris     1 August           Mon 2nd May ***
>   Eurostar                       any                already open[0]
...
> I am willing to book for others for the return trains marked ***
> above.  See http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2011/Train for my
> planned itinerary.  (I'll be on my own for the outward journey.)
>
> If you would like me to book you a ticket on those trains please let
> me know by Monday 25th April (to give time for me to confirm and ask
> you any questions).

I currently intend to book:

  For Joachim Breitner, Philip Hands, and myself:
    Sunday 31st July
    Zagreb - Munich 
    dep 2115, arr 0615 Monday
    One 3-person sleeper berth

I will do this tonight, when bookings open.


Phil, are you returning via London ?  What do you think of the
itinerary here:

   http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/03/msg00769.html

If you like I can book tickets on those trains for you too.  I intend
to go first class on ICE and Thalys if the prices are reasonable, but
standard class on Eurostar, but I could be persuaded to go standard.

Bookings for the ICE and Thalys open tomorrow night so please let me
know ASAP.


Ian.


From phil at hands.com  Sat Apr 30 19:00:33 2011
From: phil at hands.com (Philip Hands)
Date: Sat, 30 Apr 2011 19:00:33 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Debconf return train booking via Zagreb and Munich
In-Reply-To: <19900.10095.570825.171619@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
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	<19900.10095.570825.171619@chiark.greenend.org.uk>
Message-ID: <877habliv2.fsf@poker.hands.com>

Hi Ian,

On Sat, 30 Apr 2011 16:14:55 +0100, Ian Jackson <ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:
...
> I currently intend to book:
> 
>   For Joachim Breitner, Philip Hands, and myself:
>     Sunday 31st July
>     Zagreb - Munich 
>     dep 2115, arr 0615 Monday
>     One 3-person sleeper berth

BTW Any prediction for the of cost for that?

> I will do this tonight, when bookings open.

> Phil, are you returning via London ?  What do you think of the
> itinerary here:
> 
>    http://lists.debian.org/debian-devel/2011/03/msg00769.html

Yes, my destination on the return is London.

BTW are you aware that there are discount tickets to/from Germany via
Brussels and the EuroStar?

Checking the preceding Monday (since sales are not yet open for the one
we actually want) there's a Munich-->London route:

M?nchen Hbf 	Mo, 25.07.11 	dep 	10:50 	22 	ICE 720 	Intercity-Express
Frankfurt(Main)Hbf 	Mo, 25.07.11 	arr 	14:04 	 
 Transfer time 12 min. 		Adjust the transfer time
Frankfurt(Main)Hbf 	Mo, 25.07.11 	dep 	14:16 	  	ICE 14 	Intercity-Express
Bruxelles-Midi 	Mo, 25.07.11 	arr 	17:35 	 
 transfer 45 min. 	Adjust the transfer time
Bruxelles-Midi EST 	Mo, 25.07.11 	dep 	18:50 	  	EST 9157 	EUROSTAR
Subject to compulsory reservation, Special ticket or supplement required, Please observe check-in times, Non-smoker train, Bistro Cafe
London St. Pancras International 	Mo, 25.07.11 	arr 	20:03 	 

The quoted discount fair for that is 69 EUR

> If you like I can book tickets on those trains for you too.  I intend
> to go first class on ICE and Thalys if the prices are reasonable, but
> standard class on Eurostar, but I could be persuaded to go standard.

I'm not that bothered about 1st/2nd class, but will happily go 1st if
the price hike is not too much.

Cheers, Phil.
-- 
|)|  Philip Hands [+44 (0)20 8530 9560]    http://www.hands.com/
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