From steve at einval.com Fri May 2 00:50:48 2008 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 00:50:48 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones made up? In-Reply-To: <480c9e82.vcpoSxZYpSt8BM6q%mjr@phonecoop.coop> References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com> <480c4b1e.WREKEnmmOFYjsyjQ%mjr@phonecoop.coop> <20080421122048.GA19523@nowster.org.uk> <480c9e82.vcpoSxZYpSt8BM6q%mjr@phonecoop.coop> Message-ID: <20080501235048.GE20670@einval.com> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 03:02:42PM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: >Paul Martin wrote: >> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 09:06:54AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote: >> > Steve McIntyre wrote: >> > > After just about selling out at FOSDEM, I've been pestered by quite a >> > > few people to get some more Debian T-shirts made up. [...] >> > >> > Will these be fair trade cotton? I've not been explicitly looking for that, but... >The producer linked earlier does offer fair-trade cotton products: >http://www.talkingts.co.uk/organic%20fair%20trade.htm >I expect these are more expensive, but debian clothing seems like a >luxury product to me. If you'd like something in that range, I'm quite happy to do some for you. I'll find out prices when I go into the shop. >(When I questioned the fairness of debian clothing in general last >year, I was directed to ask the companies I buy from. When more >T-shirts are about to be made seems the ideal time to do that:- >http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/11/msg00038.html ) The 2 things I normally buy from Talking Ts are: * Printed Fruit of the Loom premium Ts * Embroidered Kustom Kit Augusta/405 polo shirts I've checked, and both FotL and KK have ethics statements that describe their standards. The KK one is linked off the front page of their website; the FotL details I have in .doc format that I'll pass on if people would like to see them. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com "We're the technical experts. We were hired so that management could ignore our recommendations and tell us how to do our jobs." -- Mike Andrews From steve at einval.com Fri May 2 01:03:08 2008 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 01:03:08 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Re: T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones made up? In-Reply-To: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com> References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com> Message-ID: <20080502000308.GB15557@einval.com> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:03:49PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >Hi folks, > >After just about selling out at FOSDEM, I've been pestered by quite a >few people to get some more Debian T-shirts made up. As promised to a >bunch of people, I'm also prepared to get some custom ones made. For a >very small cost (in some cases even zero), I can add specific orders >in, such as > > * polo shirts in different colours (I have several of these myself!) > * "goth" variations (black print on black T, just for smcv *grin*) > * ladies/babydoll versions of the standard designs > * the swirl embroidered on other items (bag, hoodie, whatever) > >If you'd like something special doing, please let me know ASAP! I'm >planning on getting an order in in the next week. So much for that plan; I got busy (!) and haven't got there yet. People have asked about the following (lots!): * Debian jacket (waterproof?) * long-sleeved rugby shirts (CN40/FR1) * sweat shirts (012M/H804) * smart shirts (PR200) * polo shirts (SS4) (I normally get K405, would they do OK?) * larger-sized Ts (SA101,SS6,K500,GD02,GD05) in black * KB915 sleeveless fleece * LV335 hoodie * fairtrade Ts * black-on-black Ts I'll check on prices and availability for those, and recommendations from the staff. They've been very good in the past at suggesting good combinations of colours etc. Please let me know if I've missed out what you're looking for... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com "You can't barbecue lettuce!" -- Ellie Crane From david at planetwatson.co.uk Fri May 2 10:16:24 2008 From: david at planetwatson.co.uk (David Watson) Date: Fri, 2 May 2008 10:16:24 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Re: T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones made up? In-Reply-To: <20080502000308.GB15557@einval.com> References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com> <20080502000308.GB15557@einval.com> Message-ID: <20080502091624.GA13669@planetwatson.co.uk> --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable * Steve McIntyre (steve@einval.com) wrote: > * polo shirts (SS4) (I normally get K405, would they do OK?) K405 looks fine. > I'll check on prices and availability for those, and recommendations > from the staff. They've been very good in the past at suggesting good > combinations of colours etc. Please let me know if I've missed out > what you're looking for... >=20 > --=20 > Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einva= l.com > "You can't barbecue lettuce!" -- Ellie Crane >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Debian-uk maillist - Debian-uk@chiark.greenend.org.uk > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/debian-uk >=20 --=20 David Watson - Debian GNU/Linux Developer david@planetwatson.co.uk, dwatson@debian.org Web: http://planetwatson.co.uk/blog IM(Jabber): dwatson@planetwatson.co.uk --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIGtvoDeh5nqfWrnkRApjoAKC2kyORwrCId999CXxQKDRaJswyrwCdHvkD NbWjZlpRcwfJ+2noGC9BCOY= =tRnz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --J/dobhs11T7y2rNN-- From steve at einval.com Tue May 6 20:19:37 2008 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Tue, 6 May 2008 20:19:37 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Re: T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones made up? In-Reply-To: <20080502000308.GB15557@einval.com> References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com> <20080502000308.GB15557@einval.com> Message-ID: <20080506191937.GA10524@einval.com> --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, May 02, 2008 at 01:03:08AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:03:49PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >> >>If you'd like something special doing, please let me know ASAP! I'm >>planning on getting an order in in the next week. > >So much for that plan; I got busy (!) and haven't got there >yet. People have asked about the following (lots!): I went in to TT at the weekend and spoke to Jen, who (as always) was very helpful. We've got quite a few people asking for embroiderered things, more than prints. Embroiderered items will come at a base price which depends on the *total* number of items using the same pattern, even if they're different items such as polo shirts and jackets. Likely price bands are 24-49 or 50-99. All the cost prices I'm listing here include VAT, and are per item. If we want something embroiderered on the front and printed on the back, the back print will cost something like GBP 1-2 or so extra (again, depends on the total number). > * Debian jacket (waterproof?) KB647 was suggested, with a print. That's problematic - screen print doesn't work at all well on nylon, I'm told. Maybe embroidery on the breast could work. Prices for that: 24-49: GBP 17.27 50-99: GBP 15.46 > * long-sleeved rugby shirts (CN40/FR1) FR1 recommended. Prices (embroidered with swirl):=20 24-49: GBP 20.83 (men's) GBP 19.83 (fitted women's, FR77) 50-99: GBP 18.86 (men's) GBP 18.36 (fitted women's, FR77) > * sweat shirts (O12M/H804) Both good, H804 more common now. Prices with embroidery: 24-99: GBP 18.92 50-99: GBP 17.98 H804 (zipped sweatshirt) with embroidery: 24-99: GBP 16.04 50-99: GBP 15.10 > * smart shirts (PR200) Embroidery on the pocket will end up closing up the pocket, I'm warned.=20 24-49: GBP 16.03 50-99: GBP 14.22 > * polo shirts (SS4) (I normally get K405, would they do OK?) Gah, missed these and forgot to get a price. Expect roughly(!) GBP 12 for 24-49, maybe GBP 11 for 50+. > * larger-sized Ts (SA101,SS6,K500,GD02,GD05) in black The GD05 is what they'd normally recommend - Gildan Ts are generously sized (large for the size, and will go up to 3XL), good quality. Price with normal 2-colour classic swirl print: 24-49: GBP 7.11 50-99: GBP 5.35 > * KB915 sleeveless fleece With embroidery on the front: 24-49: GBP 20.40 50-99: GBP 19.22 > * LV335 hoodie With embroidery on the front:=20 24-49: GBP 21.11 50-99: GBP 19.94 > * fairtrade Ts OK10 O'karma fairtrade Ts, very good quality. Taking quite a lot of business these days, apparently. We could do screen print as normal: 24-49: GBP 9.74 50-99: GBP 8.69 or a cute thing I'd quite like for myself is one of these in "natural", with embroidery: 24-49: GBP 12.44 50-99: GBP 10.63 > * black-on-black Ts Will come out at normal T prices, maybe slightly cheaper with only a single colour print. I'm also going to be ordering a range of the normal T designs: "When It's Ready", "Good Things", swirl (in several colours), polos (by default in just red-on-black) which will boost the numbers on the order anyway, making embroidery and swirl prints cheaper. If you'd like something on the specials list, please get back to me ASAP so we can put the order in soon. A couple of the TT shop staff are away on holiday from Friday, so I'd love to get the orders in before then so we can agree a total price for the order. If you want anything special, I'll need: * size * colour * number * style (where applicable) by Friday, noon at the latest ideally. I won't be ordering special items on spec., just to order. I'll pass them on at cost, but I'll expect the money to come in immediately. OK? Let me know... --=20 Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.= com "I suspect most samba developers are already technically insane... Of course, since many of them are Australians, you can't tell." -- Linus Torv= alds --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIIK9JfDt5cIjHwfcRAn9FAJ9PeB1yNYH8vNLtgHYu4EUPYQizowCgoAMU WgTVyqyNljhcVFreWz2OTM0= =80i9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --9jxsPFA5p3P2qPhR-- From steve at einval.com Fri May 9 13:56:00 2008 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Fri, 9 May 2008 13:56:00 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Anybody interested in some HPPA kit in/near the UK? Message-ID: <20080509125600.GD3001@einval.com> I've had offers of a couple of HPPA machines in the UK, available for free to anybody who wants them. A180C and A500, not sure of exact spec. I've also got a couple of spare HPPA machines myself that I'd be happy to pass on. Please let me know ASAP if these would be useful to anybody... -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com You raise the blade, you make the change... You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane... From jurzik at guug.de Thu May 15 20:50:15 2008 From: jurzik at guug.de (Heike Jurzik) Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 21:50:15 +0200 Subject: [Debian-uk] Touring the UK :) Message-ID: <20080515195015.GF26215@lst.de> Hi there, I promised to some of you at FOSDEM to send the schedule for my next UK tour. I'll be touring with Heather Dale again. Our schedule is online: http://www.heatherdale.com/shows/ It would be fun to see some Debian T shirts at some of the gigs. :) Cheers, Heike -- "Resolution number two: will find sensible boyfriend to go out with and not continue to form romantic attachments to any of the following: Alcoholics, workaholics, commitmentphobics, peeping toms, megalomaniacs, emotional fuckwits or perverts." Bridget Jones From ben at decadent.org.uk Sun May 18 23:57:04 2008 From: ben at decadent.org.uk (Ben Hutchings) Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 23:57:04 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Symbian get UK patent on linking to a DLL - analysis wanted In-Reply-To: <20080325171641.GU9627@knossos.aleph1.co.uk> References: <20080325171641.GU9627@knossos.aleph1.co.uk> Message-ID: <1211151424.12863.72.camel@deadeye.i.decadent.org.uk> --=-HfDij231ZFthUxjlhK53 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:16 +0000, Wookey wrote: > We (FFII and killsoftwarepatents.com) would be interested to know > which pieces of software will be infringing this - can anyone here > give examples, or other analysis of this? Feel free to pass this mail > on to people who might. Windows seems to have prior art: . However, since this patent apparently refers specifically to linking by ordinal, and that's rare on Win32 and unknown in ELF dynamic linking, I can't think of anything infringing this. Unfortunately I can only see the first page of the patent application so I can't see the full claims= or any disclosure of prior art. Ben. --=20 Ben Hutchings The two most common things in the universe are hydrogen and stupidity. --=-HfDij231ZFthUxjlhK53 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIMLRA79ZNCRIGYgcRAtpsAKDfbNDlNIxeYnnCAqMUdzMcwKhz8wCeLHee XAAhJiGu1sTj6qx2YG9E1e8= =o+wB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-HfDij231ZFthUxjlhK53-- From magnus at therning.org Mon May 19 22:13:18 2008 From: magnus at therning.org (Magnus Therning) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 22:13:18 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Symbian get UK patent on linking to a DLL - analysis wanted In-Reply-To: <1211151424.12863.72.camel@deadeye.i.decadent.org.uk> References: <20080325171641.GU9627@knossos.aleph1.co.uk> <1211151424.12863.72.camel@deadeye.i.decadent.org.uk> Message-ID: <4831ED6E.8080507@therning.org> This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig6E7AF31FAB8A615FF6483F0C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ben Hutchings wrote: > On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:16 +0000, Wookey wrote: > >> We (FFII and killsoftwarepatents.com) would be interested to know >> which pieces of software will be infringing this - can anyone here >> give examples, or other analysis of this? Feel free to pass this mail >> on to people who might. > >=20 > Windows seems to have prior art: > . >=20 > However, since this patent apparently refers specifically to linking by= > ordinal, and that's rare on Win32 and unknown in ELF dynamic linking, I= > can't think of anything infringing this. Doesn't wikipedia say that linking by ordinals on Windows is more common than that blog post? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic-link_library#Symbol_resolution_and_b= inding I also vaguely remember in my Amiga days that it wasn't too uncommon with link errors based on numbers, so that system might have used ordinals more extensively than more recent ones. Then I can't help but be amazed that identify-by-ordinal provides an inventive step over identify-by-name. I guess that shows just how naive I still am when it comes to swpat ;-) /M --=20 Magnus Therning (OpenPGP: 0xAB4DFBA4) magnus=EF=BC=A0therning=EF=BC=8Eorg Jabber: magnus=EF=BC=8Eth= erning=EF=BC=A0gmail=EF=BC=8Ecom http://therning.org/magnus What if I don't want to obey the laws? Do they throw me in jail with the other bad monads? -- Daveman --------------enig6E7AF31FAB8A615FF6483F0C Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIMe1uiMWTaatN+6QRArldAKDH6OSHSU5rhIDKLFB0FEF9V54y5ACfQZNx 58vKjwXrSuqf/SgiTVxXFro= =l046 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig6E7AF31FAB8A615FF6483F0C-- From michael.dorrington at gmail.com Mon May 19 20:59:58 2008 From: michael.dorrington at gmail.com (Michael Dorrington) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 20:59:58 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Touring the UK :) In-Reply-To: <20080515195015.GF26215@lst.de> References: <20080515195015.GF26215@lst.de> Message-ID: <4831DC3E.60102@gmail.com> Heike Jurzik wrote: > Hi there, > > I promised to some of you at FOSDEM to send the schedule for my next > UK tour. I'll be touring with Heather Dale again. Our schedule is > online: > > http://www.heatherdale.com/shows/ It doesn't show any UK dates only USA and Canada! > It would be fun to see some Debian T shirts at some of the gigs. :) Cool. Mike. P.S. and give a 500 Internal Server Error. :) From will at misconception.org.uk Mon May 19 23:01:17 2008 From: will at misconception.org.uk (Will Newton) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 23:01:17 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Symbian get UK patent on linking to a DLL - analysis wanted In-Reply-To: <4831ED6E.8080507@therning.org> References: <20080325171641.GU9627@knossos.aleph1.co.uk> <1211151424.12863.72.camel@deadeye.i.decadent.org.uk> <4831ED6E.8080507@therning.org> Message-ID: <1211234477.2535.4.camel@blackdog> On Mon, 2008-05-19 at 22:13 +0100, Magnus Therning wrote: > Ben Hutchings wrote: > > On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:16 +0000, Wookey wrote: > > > >> We (FFII and killsoftwarepatents.com) would be interested to know > >> which pieces of software will be infringing this - can anyone here > >> give examples, or other analysis of this? Feel free to pass this mail > >> on to people who might. > > > > > > Windows seems to have prior art: > > . > > > > However, since this patent apparently refers specifically to linking by > > ordinal, and that's rare on Win32 and unknown in ELF dynamic linking, I > > can't think of anything infringing this. > > Doesn't wikipedia say that linking by ordinals on Windows is more common > than that blog post? > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dynamic-link_library#Symbol_resolution_and_binding > > I also vaguely remember in my Amiga days that it wasn't too uncommon > with link errors based on numbers, so that system might have used > ordinals more extensively than more recent ones. > > Then I can't help but be amazed that identify-by-ordinal provides an > inventive step over identify-by-name. I guess that shows just how naive > I still am when it comes to swpat ;-) For those interested the text of the appeal is here: http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Patents/2008/518.html The core of the patent is the extension of a DLL by another (using an ordinal linking scheme). I'd guess that plugin-based software using an ordinal linking scheme could fall foul of this. The conclusion of the appeal was that the patent office had followed incorrect procedure in denying the claim, but the court did seem pretty keen on allowing a wide-ranging application of software patents IMO. From will at misconception.org.uk Mon May 19 21:55:33 2008 From: will at misconception.org.uk (Will Newton) Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 21:55:33 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Symbian get UK patent on linking to a DLL - analysis wanted In-Reply-To: <20080325171641.GU9627@knossos.aleph1.co.uk> References: <20080325171641.GU9627@knossos.aleph1.co.uk> Message-ID: <1211230533.26715.5.camel@blackdog> On Tue, 2008-03-25 at 17:16 +0000, Wookey wrote: > Hello people, somewhat tengential to this list, but I know many of you > care about this stuff, and one has to start somewhere. > > Things have ben relatively quiet in software-patent world for a couple > of years and court cases have gone reasonably well from our point of > view, with the UK patent office maving away from the European patent > office practice of granting patents for all sorts of garbage, and > generally refusing them for any software which didn't have a proper > external effect beyond the software itself. However things have just > taken a serious turn for the worse and action is needed again to > prevent all software becoming patentable in this country. > > Symbian have just won a High Court case where the UK patent office refused > them a patent on 'indirect linking to DLLs', but the court overturned > that and it has been granted. The UKPO is appealing this to the court > of appeal, but it needs help to show that this _is_ a controversial > issue and not just something that should be nodded through. > > The UKPO refusal is here, and it also describes the patent reasonably > well: > http://www.ipo.gov.uk/patent/p-decisionmaking/p-challenge/p-challenge-decision-results/o20907.pdf > > We (FFII and killsoftwarepatents.com) would be interested to know > which pieces of software will be infringing this - can anyone here > give examples, or other analysis of this? Feel free to pass this mail > on to people who might. I think most DLL implementations would implement something similar to this (e.g. ELF dynamic shared libraries) - the ordinals referred to me seem similar to GOT relocs. In fact with ELF symbol versioning I think ELF shared libraries are probably more powerful than the scheme described. However, i think the best way to attack this is to maintain not that there exists prior art, but that it should not be patentable in the first place. I think the PTO got it exactly right, the claim that the patent covers some kind of physical process is absurd. Do you have a link for the High Court judgement? From dom at linux-mips.org Thu May 22 22:45:49 2008 From: dom at linux-mips.org (Dominic Sweetman) Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 22:45:49 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Symbian get UK patent on linking to a DLL - analysis wanted In-Reply-To: <1211234477.2535.4.camel@blackdog> References: <20080325171641.GU9627@knossos.aleph1.co.uk> <1211151424.12863.72.camel@deadeye.i.decadent.org.uk> <4831ED6E.8080507@therning.org> <1211234477.2535.4.camel@blackdog> Message-ID: <18485.59789.837144.486813@boris.carolanddom.net> > For those interested the text of the appeal is here: > > http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Patents/2008/518.html Thanks for the reference. > ... The conclusion of the appeal was that the patent office had > followed incorrect procedure in denying the claim... I think they just disagreed with the PO (the idea of incorrect procedure is created by a sort of legal politeness). The PO thought the claim was blocked by the exclusion on patenting "computer software"; the court thought it wasn't. > ... but the court did seem pretty keen on allowing a wide-ranging > application of software patents IMO. Yes. This court chose to interpret the prohibition on the patenting of computer software in such a way as to leave any innovation in OS or cross-application library code patentable. That goes beyond existing UK precedents. Presumably, the PO must now reconsider the claim to decide whether it is novel (it looks like a GOT to me). But having lost one appeal they'll feel they need solid evidence to turn it down again. -- Dominic Sweetman mailto:dom@linux-mips.org From dsilvers at digital-scurf.org Fri May 23 08:52:51 2008 From: dsilvers at digital-scurf.org (Daniel Silverstone) Date: Fri, 23 May 2008 08:52:51 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Symbian get UK patent on linking to a DLL - analysis wanted In-Reply-To: <18485.59789.837144.486813@boris.carolanddom.net> References: <20080325171641.GU9627@knossos.aleph1.co.uk> <1211151424.12863.72.camel@deadeye.i.decadent.org.uk> <4831ED6E.8080507@therning.org> <1211234477.2535.4.camel@blackdog> <18485.59789.837144.486813@boris.carolanddom.net> Message-ID: <1211529171.7169.2.camel@petitemort> On Thu, 2008-05-22 at 22:45 +0100, Dominic Sweetman wrote: > Presumably, the PO must now reconsider the claim to decide whether it > is novel (it looks like a GOT to me). But having lost one appeal > they'll feel they need solid evidence to turn it down again. It's also suspiciously similar to RISC OS's SWI and module system, which is essentially shared libraries by means of well known ordinals. Hopefully they'll gather all the evidence they need. Symbian need to be smacked down on this one. D. -- Daniel Silverstone http://www.digital-scurf.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged. Key Id: 2BC8 4016 2068 7895 From debian-uk at paul.sladen.org Sat May 24 10:26:12 2008 From: debian-uk at paul.sladen.org (Paul Sladen) Date: Sat, 24 May 2008 10:26:12 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Debian-uk] Symbian get UK patent on linking to a DLL - analysis wanted In-Reply-To: <1211151424.12863.72.camel@deadeye.i.decadent.org.uk> Message-ID: On Sun, 18 May 2008, Ben Hutchings wrote: > However, since this patent apparently refers specifically to linking by > ordinal, [..] unknown in ELF dynamic linking, I can't think of anything Ordinal linking to ELF DLLs is used in Linux demos, particularly 1kB and 4kB: http://in4k.untergrund.net/index.php?title=Crinkler#By_ordinal -Paul -- Why do one side of a triangle when you can do all three. Somewhere, GB. From steve at einval.com Tue May 27 22:53:14 2008 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:53:14 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Re: T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones made up? In-Reply-To: <20080506191937.GA10524@einval.com> References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com> <20080502000308.GB15557@einval.com> <20080506191937.GA10524@einval.com> Message-ID: <20080527215314.GE23247@einval.com> On Tue, May 06, 2008 at 08:19:37PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: >If you'd like something on the specials list, please get back to me >ASAP so we can put the order in soon. A couple of the TT shop staff >are away on holiday from Friday, so I'd love to get the orders in >before then so we can agree a total price for the order. If you want >anything special, I'll need: > > * size > * colour > * number > * style (where applicable) > >by Friday, noon at the latest ideally. I won't be ordering special >items on spec., just to order. I'll pass them on at cost, but I'll >expect the money to come in immediately. OK, so that didn't happen. Quite a number of people said they'd like things, but didn't provide me enough details. And I got very busy the last few weekends and failed to make it in to TT. So... On this Saturday, I'm going to order the following: T-shirts, printed ----------------- 50x Classic swirl Ts - black with red and white print (1 special with all-black print for Simon) 50x Classic swirl Ts - red with black and gold print 50x Good Things - black (2 special sizes for Andy, others normal) 50x When It's Ready - green Embroiderered stuff ------------------- 2x KB915 sleeveless fleece (Richard) 2x LV335 hoodie (Richard) 1x FR1 rugby shirt (Adam) 1x FR77 rugby shirt (Adam) 3x K405 polos (Dave) 4x K405 polos (Me!) 21x K405 polos - black (as normal) 16x OK10 Ts - natural (for a total of 50x embroiderered items) If you've got a sudden hankering for anything, mail me NOW. Ditto if you already told me you'd like to join in with extra custom stuff but didn't tell me the specific size/colour/design/whatever. Last call is noon Saturday, when I'll head in and place the order. I'm *not* going to order anything custom unless I know exactly who wants it. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com Support the Campaign for Audiovisual Free Expression: http://www.eff.org/cafe/ From codehelp at debian.org Tue May 27 23:42:00 2008 From: codehelp at debian.org (Neil Williams) Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 23:42:00 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Re: T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones made up? In-Reply-To: <20080527215314.GE23247@einval.com> References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com> <20080502000308.GB15557@einval.com> <20080506191937.GA10524@einval.com> <20080527215314.GE23247@einval.com> Message-ID: <1211928120.346.19.camel@holly.codehelp> --=-BOZ7daRGVLMO82p/ZIfP Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2008-05-27 at 22:53 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > >If you'd like something on the specials list, please get back to me > >ASAP so we can put the order in soon. A couple of the TT shop staff > >are away on holiday from Friday, so I'd love to get the orders in > >before then so we can agree a total price for the order. If you want > >anything special, I'll need: > > > > * size > > * colour > > * number > > * style (where applicable) > > > >by Friday, noon at the latest ideally. I won't be ordering special > >items on spec., just to order. I'll pass them on at cost, but I'll > >expect the money to come in immediately. >=20 > OK, so that didn't happen.=20 Sorry - missed the call for specifics. > Quite a number of people said they'd like > things, but didn't provide me enough details. And I got very busy the > last few weekends and failed to make it in to TT. So... On this > Saturday, I'm going to order the following: >=20 > Embroiderered stuff > ------------------- >=20 > 2x KB915 sleeveless fleece (Richard) > 2x LV335 hoodie (Richard) > 1x FR1 rugby shirt (Adam) > 1x FR77 rugby shirt (Adam) 1x FR1 for me please - L Colour: Airforce. 1x PR200 for me - 16.5, White - a possibly closed-up pocket isn't a problem, I'll fit a pen in there somehow. 1x BB15 for me Black. (to replace my current GNU cap). 1x H804 L Black. > 3x K405 polos (Dave) > 4x K405 polos (Me!) 2x K405 polo for me - L Light blue. I find the black fades in sunlight {yes, sunlight} :-) > 21x K405 polos - black (as normal) > 16x OK10 Ts - natural >=20 > (for a total of 50x embroiderered items) That website is really awkward to use - finding something by order code can be a right pain. It'd be easier if something like ?linkto=3DH804 actually worked. --=20 Neil Williams =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D http://www.data-freedom.org/ http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/ http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/ --=-BOZ7daRGVLMO82p/ZIfP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIPI44iAEJSii8s+MRAmrxAJ9VG5xq+3UoFIcFlddj+kAeOI+PKACdE1M9 zPrbP8kD0dRTOJmeYaT5O6g= =nfjv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-BOZ7daRGVLMO82p/ZIfP--