From Sam Bashton <sam at bashton.com>  Tue Apr  1 18:20:59 2008
From: Sam Bashton <sam at bashton.com> (Sam Bashton)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2008 18:20:59 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] Linux-related Manchester Job
Message-ID: <20080401172059.GA22755@bashton.com>

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Hi everyone,

We currently have a vacancy for a Linux Consultant in Manchester.  Time
will be allocated for the member of staff to work on Open Source projects,=
=20
so this would be a perfect job for a Debian dev.  Applications from=20
non-Debian devels are of course welcome too :)

This would be an ideal job for a new graduate, as prior experience isn't a
pre-requisite - a solid knowledge of Linux and a good command of the
English language are the primary skills we're looking for.

No recruitment agencies thanks.

http://www.bashton.com/content/careers

Thanks,

--=20
Sam Bashton - Bashton Ltd, Manchester, England
Linux Consultancy / High Availability Systems
www.bashton.com - 0161-424-9600

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From maulkin at halon.org.uk  Wed Apr  2 22:05:19 2008
From: maulkin at halon.org.uk (Neil McGovern)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2008 22:05:19 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] DebConf8 flights
In-Reply-To: <20080331005818.GA18455@einval.com>
References: <1206901933.28766.77.camel@holly.codehelp> <1206905477.28766.92.camel@holly.codehelp> <20080331005818.GA18455@einval.com>
Message-ID: <20080402210519.GI30841@mx0.halon.org.uk>

On Mon, Mar 31, 2008 at 01:58:18AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Cool. I've decided that I definitely can't afford the time for Debcamp
> too, so I'm going to head out just for Debconf. Given that, the best
> price I can find is GBP 780.70[1], flying:
> 
> Outbound:
> 
>   Aerolineas Argentinas
>   AR1123, AR1131 (LGW->MAD->EZE)
>   (Operated by Air Plus Comet)            Departs: Sat 09 Aug 08 10:20
>                                           Arrives: Sat 09 Aug 08 22:55
> Inbound:
>   Air Comet
>   A72136, A70230 (EZE->MAD->LGW)
>   (Operated by Aerolineas Argentinas)     Departs: Sun 17 Aug 08 14:20
>                                           Arrives: Mon 18 Aug 08 09:20                     
> 

Ack from me.

> [2] http://wiki.earth.li/DebconfTravel2008

Signed up. Anyone else coming? :)

Neil
-- 
A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion
Q. Why is top posting bad?
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From daniel at pocock.com.au  Mon Apr 14 18:50:56 2008
From: daniel at pocock.com.au (Daniel Pocock)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 18:50:56 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] email sender authentication on Debian
Message-ID: <48039980.7000000@pocock.com.au>


Is there a recommended way of setting up SMTP sender authentication on 
Debian, particularly with the Postfix package?

I've noticed that the number of spam messages sent using forged email 
addresses from my own domain has been increasing, and I'm keen to stamp 
it out.

Regards,

Daniel


From steve at lobefin.net  Tue Apr 15 03:05:56 2008
From: steve at lobefin.net (Stephen Gran)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:05:56 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] email sender authentication on Debian
In-Reply-To: <48039980.7000000@pocock.com.au>
References: <48039980.7000000@pocock.com.au>
Message-ID: <20080415020556.GA12867@www.lobefin.net>

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On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 06:50:56PM +0100, Daniel Pocock said:
>=20
>=20
> Is there a recommended way of setting up SMTP sender authentication on=20
> Debian, particularly with the Postfix package?

Assuming you mean SPF here, probably the simplest method is to use
something like spfmilter with postfix's relatively new milter interface.
That being said ..

> I've noticed that the number of spam messages sent using forged email=20
> addresses from my own domain has been increasing, and I'm keen to stamp=
=20
> it out.

SPF won't actually do all that much for you with this sort of problem.
If you actually control all outbound mail for your domain, you probably
want something like BATV, which is designed to eliminate DSNs resulting
=66rom forged mail.  See http://babel.de/batv.html for details.
--=20
 --------------------------------------------------------------------------
|  Stephen Gran                  | It is not best to swap horses while     |
|  steve@lobefin.net             | crossing the river.   -- Abraham        |
|  http://www.lobefin.net/~steve | Lincoln                                 |
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From steve at einval.com  Fri Apr 18 23:03:49 2008
From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:03:49 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones made up?
Message-ID: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>

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Hi folks,

After just about selling out at FOSDEM, I've been pestered by quite a
few people to get some more Debian T-shirts made up. As promised to a
bunch of people, I'm also prepared to get some custom ones made. For a
very small cost (in some cases even zero), I can add specific orders
in, such as

 * polo shirts in different colours (I have several of these myself!)
 * "goth" variations (black print on black T, just for smcv *grin*)
 * ladies/babydoll versions of the standard designs
 * the swirl embroidered on other items (bag, hoodie, whatever)

If you'd like something special doing, please let me know ASAP! I'm
planning on getting an order in in the next week.

--=20
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.=
com
We don't need no education.
We don't need no thought control.

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From maulkin at halon.org.uk  Fri Apr 18 23:25:19 2008
From: maulkin at halon.org.uk (Neil McGovern)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:25:19 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones made up?
In-Reply-To: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>
References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>
Message-ID: <20080418222518.GQ17397@mx0.halon.org.uk>

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On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:03:49PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>  * polo shirts in different colours (I have several of these myself!)

Yes please!

>  * "goth" variations (black print on black T, just for smcv *grin*)

Yes please!

>  * ladies/babydoll versions of the standard designs

Only if you think I'll look cute.

>  * the swirl embroidered on other items (bag, hoodie, whatever)

URL to the catalogue?

Neil
--=20
A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion
Q. Why is top posting bad?
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From steve at einval.com  Fri Apr 18 23:31:54 2008
From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre)
Date: Fri, 18 Apr 2008 23:31:54 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones made up?
In-Reply-To: <20080418222518.GQ17397@mx0.halon.org.uk>
References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com> <20080418222518.GQ17397@mx0.halon.org.uk>
Message-ID: <20080418223154.GA5761@einval.com>

On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:25:19PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
>On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:03:49PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>
>>  * ladies/babydoll versions of the standard designs
>
>Only if you think I'll look cute.

Oh, always! :-P

>>  * the swirl embroidered on other items (bag, hoodie, whatever)
>
>URL to the catalogue?

http://www.talkingts.co.uk/pennn2.htm

-- 
Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
"...In the UNIX world, people tend to interpret `non-technical user'
 as meaning someone who's only ever written one device driver." -- Daniel Pead



From codehelp at debian.org  Sat Apr 19 08:04:47 2008
From: codehelp at debian.org (Neil Williams)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 08:04:47 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom
 ones made up?
In-Reply-To: <20080418223154.GA5761@einval.com>
References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>
 <20080418222518.GQ17397@mx0.halon.org.uk>
 <20080418223154.GA5761@einval.com>
Message-ID: <1208588687.31545.19.camel@holly.codehelp>

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On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 23:31 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:25:19PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
> >On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:03:49PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> >
> >>  * the swirl embroidered on other items (bag, hoodie, whatever)
> >
> >URL to the catalogue?
>=20
> http://www.talkingts.co.uk/pennn2.htm

I like the idea of long-sleeved Debian shirts - probably the rugby
shirts from the catalogue. CN40 or FR1. Maybe a sweatshirt (012M or
H804).

Sometimes it would also be really nice to have a couple of *smart*
shirts (i.e. ones I can wear with a tie to work seeing as I'm forced
into wearing a tie). Simple white, nice red swirl on the pocket. (PR200)
- EasyCare is good too.

Actually, thinking of ties, did we ever have a Debian tie? (Nothing in
the catalogue, sadly.)

I looked at the "outerwear" section too as we may need something like
that in Mar Del Plata seeing as it will be winter there. Not sure if
there would be a demand for those - does anyone else fancy a waterproof
Debian jacket?

If only one of those, the long-sleeved shirt would be my preference.

--=20


Neil Williams
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
http://www.data-freedom.org/
http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/
http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/



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From luk at debian.org  Sat Apr 19 06:21:47 2008
From: luk at debian.org (Luk Claes)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 07:21:47 +0200
Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones
 made up?
In-Reply-To: <20080418223154.GA5761@einval.com>
References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com> <20080418222518.GQ17397@mx0.halon.org.uk> <20080418223154.GA5761@einval.com>
Message-ID: <4809816B.4090501@debian.org>

Steve McIntyre wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:25:19PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
>> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:03:49PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:

>>>  * the swirl embroidered on other items (bag, hoodie, whatever)
>> URL to the catalogue?
> 
> http://www.talkingts.co.uk/pennn2.htm

I would love to have a Debian jacket...

Cheers

Luk


From david at planetwatson.co.uk  Sat Apr 19 09:08:10 2008
From: david at planetwatson.co.uk (David Watson)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 09:08:10 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom
 ones made up?
In-Reply-To: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>
References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>
Message-ID: <1208592490.5638.2.camel@beaker.planetwatson.co.uk>

On Fri, 2008-04-18 at 23:03 +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
> Hi folks,
> 
> After just about selling out at FOSDEM, I've been pestered by quite a
> few people to get some more Debian T-shirts made up. As promised to a
> bunch of people, I'm also prepared to get some custom ones made. For a
> very small cost (in some cases even zero), I can add specific orders
> in, such as
> 
>  * polo shirts in different colours (I have several of these myself!)

Ah now I could go for a few of these, maybe SS4 in different colours.

-- 
David Watson - Debian GNU/Linux Developer
david@planetwatson.co.uk, dwatson@debian.org

Jabber: dwatson@planetwatson.co.uk
Web: http://planetwatson.co.uk/blog



From codehelp at debian.org  Sat Apr 19 10:21:24 2008
From: codehelp at debian.org (Neil Williams)
Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2008 10:21:24 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom
 ones made up?
In-Reply-To: <4809816B.4090501@debian.org>
References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>
 <20080418222518.GQ17397@mx0.halon.org.uk>
 <20080418223154.GA5761@einval.com>  <4809816B.4090501@debian.org>
Message-ID: <1208596885.31545.52.camel@holly.codehelp>

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On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 07:21 +0200, Luk Claes wrote:
> Steve McIntyre wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:25:19PM +0100, Neil McGovern wrote:
> >> On Fri, Apr 18, 2008 at 11:03:49PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote:
>=20
> >>>  * the swirl embroidered on other items (bag, hoodie, whatever)
> >> URL to the catalogue?
> >=20
> > http://www.talkingts.co.uk/pennn2.htm
>=20
> I would love to have a Debian jacket...
>=20
> Cheers
>=20
> Luk

You've been bitten by the same bug in that site as me, earlier -
pennn2.htm is the outer frame and is the same no matter which item you
are viewing. The reference string is the one to quote.
:-)

--=20


Neil Williams
=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
http://www.data-freedom.org/
http://www.nosoftwarepatents.com/
http://www.linux.codehelp.co.uk/



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From mjr at phonecoop.coop  Mon Apr 21 09:06:54 2008
From: mjr at phonecoop.coop (MJ Ray)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 09:06:54 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones
 made up?
In-Reply-To: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>
References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>
Message-ID: <480c4b1e.WREKEnmmOFYjsyjQ%mjr@phonecoop.coop>

Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote:
> After just about selling out at FOSDEM, I've been pestered by quite a
> few people to get some more Debian T-shirts made up. [...]

Will these be fair trade cotton?

Regards,
-- 
MJR/slef
My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/
Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct



From pm at debian.org  Mon Apr 21 13:20:48 2008
From: pm at debian.org (Paul Martin)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 13:20:48 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom
 ones made up?
In-Reply-To: <480c4b1e.WREKEnmmOFYjsyjQ%mjr@phonecoop.coop>
References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com> <480c4b1e.WREKEnmmOFYjsyjQ%mjr@phonecoop.coop>
Message-ID: <20080421122048.GA19523@nowster.org.uk>

On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 09:06:54AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote:
> > After just about selling out at FOSDEM, I've been pestered by quite a
> > few people to get some more Debian T-shirts made up. [...]
> 
> Will these be fair trade cotton?

Forgive my ignorance, but I thought most cotton production was highly
mechanised nowadays.

PS. How long *is* a cotton picking minute?
-- 
Paul Martin <pm@debian.org>


From mjr at phonecoop.coop  Mon Apr 21 15:02:42 2008
From: mjr at phonecoop.coop (MJ Ray)
Date: Mon, 21 Apr 2008 15:02:42 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones
 made up?
In-Reply-To: <20080421122048.GA19523@nowster.org.uk>
References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>
 <480c4b1e.WREKEnmmOFYjsyjQ%mjr@phonecoop.coop>
 <20080421122048.GA19523@nowster.org.uk>
Message-ID: <480c9e82.vcpoSxZYpSt8BM6q%mjr@phonecoop.coop>

Paul Martin <pm@debian.org> wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 21, 2008 at 09:06:54AM +0100, MJ Ray wrote:
> > Steve McIntyre <steve@einval.com> wrote:
> > > After just about selling out at FOSDEM, I've been pestered by quite a
> > > few people to get some more Debian T-shirts made up. [...]
> > 
> > Will these be fair trade cotton?
>
> Forgive my ignorance, but I thought most cotton production was highly
> mechanised nowadays.

Most?  Possibly.  All?  Nope, see for example
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/newsnight/7068096.stm

The producer linked earlier does offer fair-trade cotton products:
http://www.talkingts.co.uk/organic%20fair%20trade.htm
I expect these are more expensive, but debian clothing seems like a
luxury product to me.

(When I questioned the fairness of debian clothing in general last
year, I was directed to ask the companies I buy from. When more
T-shirts are about to be made seems the ideal time to do that:-
http://lists.debian.org/debian-project/2007/11/msg00038.html )

> PS. How long *is* a cotton picking minute?

I wonder if we're about to find out...

Best wishes,
-- 
MJR/slef
My Opinion Only: see http://people.debian.org/~mjr/
Please follow http://www.uk.debian.org/MailingLists/#codeofconduct



From paul at mjr.org  Tue Apr 22 07:20:08 2008
From: paul at mjr.org (Paul Hedderly)
Date: Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:20:08 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like	custom	ones
 made up?
In-Reply-To: <1208606450.31545.64.camel@holly.codehelp>
References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>	 <20080418222518.GQ17397@mx0.halon.org.uk>	 <20080418223154.GA5761@einval.com>	 <1208588687.31545.19.camel@holly.codehelp>  <4809CE75.2020209@mjr.org> <1208606450.31545.64.camel@holly.codehelp>
Message-ID: <480D8398.5030402@mjr.org>

Neil Williams wrote:
> On Sat, 2008-04-19 at 11:50 +0100, Paul Hedderly wrote:
>   
>> Neil Williams wrote:
>>     
>>> Sometimes it would also be really nice to have a couple of *smart*
>>> shirts (i.e. ones I can wear with a tie to work seeing as I'm forced
>>> into wearing a tie). Simple white, nice red swirl on the pocket. (PR200)
>>> - EasyCare is good too.
>>>   
>>>       
>> Yes I'm up for one like that too...
>>     
>
> I think you wanted that to go the mailing list, not just to me.
> :-)
>
>   
Yes. Oh well :O)


From martin at hinterlands.org  Mon Apr 14 23:19:39 2008
From: martin at hinterlands.org (Martin A. Brooks)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 23:19:39 +0100
Subject: [Debian-uk] email sender authentication on Debian
In-Reply-To: <48039980.7000000@pocock.com.au>
References: <48039980.7000000@pocock.com.au>
Message-ID: <4803D87B.4070606@hinterlands.org>

Daniel Pocock wrote:
> Is there a recommended way of setting up SMTP sender authentication on 
> Debian, particularly with the Postfix package?

Do you mean authenticating users who wish to use your SMTP server?  Or 
authenticating _messages_ sent from your SMTP server?  For the purposes 
of the rest of this email, I'm assuming the latter.

> I've noticed that the number of spam messages sent using forged email 
> addresses from my own domain has been increasing, and Im keen to stamp 
> it out. 

There's essentially nothing you can do about this.  Open relays and 
hordes of worm infected Windows machines means your domain can be used 
by anyone who wishes to do so to send email.

The only nearly-a-fix would be SPF, except SPF requires the co-operation 
of everyone you send email to. i.e. they'll need to configure their SMTP 
server(s) to check SPF records.  Given many mail administrators, myself 
included, consider SPF to be flawed, you'll find the takeup rate 
comparatively low.


-- 

 Martin A. Brooks |  http://www.antibodymx.net/ | Anti-spam & anti-virus
    Consultant    |  martin@antibodymx.net      | filtering. Inoculate
  antibodymx.net  |  m: +447896578023           | your mail system.





From P.S.S.Camp at kent.ac.uk  Sun Apr 20 18:36:07 2008
From: P.S.S.Camp at kent.ac.uk (P.S.S.Camp)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2008 18:36:07 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Debian-uk] T-shirt time again - would anybody like custom ones
 made up?
In-Reply-To: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>
References: <20080418220349.GZ5761@einval.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.SOC.1.00.0804201834320.4625@myrtle.ukc.ac.uk>

For those of us with a sort or non existant memory, we can see the 
standard stuff where ? ;-)

Phill.

On Fri, 18 Apr 2008, Steve McIntyre wrote:

> Hi folks,
>
> After just about selling out at FOSDEM, I've been pestered by quite a
> few people to get some more Debian T-shirts made up. As promised to a
> bunch of people, I'm also prepared to get some custom ones made. For a
> very small cost (in some cases even zero), I can add specific orders
> in, such as
>
> * polo shirts in different colours (I have several of these myself!)
> * "goth" variations (black print on black T, just for smcv *grin*)
> * ladies/babydoll versions of the standard designs
> * the swirl embroidered on other items (bag, hoodie, whatever)
>
> If you'd like something special doing, please let me know ASAP! I'm
> planning on getting an order in in the next week.
>
> --
> Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK.                                steve@einval.com
> We don't need no education.
> We don't need no thought control.
>

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