From phil at hands.com Wed Aug 1 23:01:49 2007 From: phil at hands.com (Philip Hands) Date: Wed, 01 Aug 2007 23:01:49 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] [Fwd: FSF coming to the UK with Defective by Design] Message-ID: <46B102CD.7040000@hands.com> This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------080103090402040503020406 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit --------------080103090402040503020406 Content-Type: message/rfc822; name="FSF coming to the UK with Defective by Design" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="FSF coming to the UK with Defective by Design" Return-Path: X-Original-To: phil@sheikh.hands.com Delivered-To: phil@sheikh.hands.com Received: from free.hands.com (free.hands.com [83.142.228.128]) by sheikh.hands.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA4E985AF for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:34:44 +0100 (BST) Received: by free.hands.com (Postfix) id 58F262C022; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:34:44 +0100 (BST) Delivered-To: phil@hands.com Received: from ra.siriusit.co.uk (ra.siriusit.co.uk [217.207.197.130]) by free.hands.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 135822C026 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:32:02 +0100 (BST) Received: from [192.168.1.72] ([192.168.1.72]) by ra.siriusit.co.uk (8.13.3/8.13.3) with ESMTP id l6UHcVn9001299 for ; Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:38:32 +0100 Message-ID: <46AE2091.1000406@siriusit.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 18:32:01 +0100 From: Mark Taylor Organization: Sirius User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.5.0.12 (Macintosh/20070509) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Philip Hands Subject: FSF coming to the UK with Defective by Design Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-hands-com-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-MailScanner-From: mark.taylor@siriusit.co.uk Phil, Peter Brown is coming to the UK between 7th and 15th August. We are organising a direct protest at BBC London and BBC Manchester on the 14th August. Campaign announcement here: http://defectivebydesign.org/blog/BBCcorrupted Can you please put this out over all your networks - we want as many people attending as possible. This is not a direct OSC intervention, the 'Free Software' v 'Open Source' thing prevents us from working officially, but Peter, Becky from ORG, and myself are all working on this one... atb, Mark -- Mark Taylor, Chief Executive Officer Sirius Corporation - The Open Source Experts http://www.siriusit.co.uk Tel: +44(0)870 608 0063 --------------080103090402040503020406-- From pm at debian.org Wed Aug 8 12:17:01 2007 From: pm at debian.org (Paul Martin) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 12:17:01 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Re: OMGWTFBBQ 2007! In-Reply-To: <20070713170401.GR6314@einval.com> References: <20070626131740.GB16764@einval.com> <20070713170401.GR6314@einval.com> Message-ID: <20070808111700.GA9468@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> On Fri, Jul 13, 2007 at 06:04:01PM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > It seems there are quite a few people travelling to Cambridge for By the way, wouldn't it be a good idea to post the minutes of last year's AGM in advance of this year's? The usual: At T, the meeting opened. Everyone accepted last year's minutes. Phil said some stuff. Steve said some stuff about money. Someone made a suggestion. Everyone agreed that Clive had a weird T-shirt. At T+5min, the meeting closed. -- Paul Martin From colin at tuckley.org Wed Aug 8 17:42:10 2007 From: colin at tuckley.org (Colin Tuckley) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 17:42:10 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Re: OMGWTFBBQ 2007! In-Reply-To: <20070808111700.GA9468@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> References: <20070626131740.GB16764@einval.com> <20070713170401.GR6314@einval.com> <20070808111700.GA9468@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> Message-ID: <46B9F262.1080400@tuckley.org> Paul Martin wrote: > By the way, wouldn't it be a good idea to post the minutes of last > year's AGM in advance of this year's? Also I was wondering if as well as DDs, membership should be open to the new "Debian Maintainers" which were the subject of the recently passed General Resolution. Colin -- Colin Tuckley | colin@tuckley.org | PGP/GnuPG Key Id +44(0)1903 236872 | +44(0)7799 143369 | 0x1B3045CE Those who dream by day are cognisant of many things that escape those who dream only by night. - E. A. Poe. From dsilvers at debian.org Wed Aug 8 20:03:26 2007 From: dsilvers at debian.org (Daniel Silverstone) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:03:26 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Re: OMGWTFBBQ 2007! In-Reply-To: <46B9F262.1080400@tuckley.org> References: <20070626131740.GB16764@einval.com> <20070713170401.GR6314@einval.com> <20070808111700.GA9468@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> <46B9F262.1080400@tuckley.org> Message-ID: <1186599806.6026.4.camel@ataraxia> --=-6CoB6ObY4CaRxlv60U06 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 17:42 +0100, Colin Tuckley wrote: > Paul Martin wrote: >=20 > > By the way, wouldn't it be a good idea to post the minutes of last > > year's AGM in advance of this year's? >=20 > Also I was wondering if as well as DDs, membership should be open to the = new > "Debian Maintainers" which were the subject of the recently passed Genera= l > Resolution. >=20 > Colin >=20 As per the DebianUKSocietyConstitution on the wiki, point two states: Membership of the society is open to all currently registered Debian Developers who are resident in the UK. "Debian developers" are those recognised by the Debian Project, as listed at http://db.debian.org/ . So, if 'Debian Maintainers' are recognised on db.debian.org as being developers in Debian then they can join the Debian UK Society. Regards, Daniel. --=20 Daniel Silverstone http://www.debian.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged. Key Id: 2BC8 4016 2068 7895 --=-6CoB6ObY4CaRxlv60U06 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGuhN+K8hAFiBoeJURAuU3AJwMEsf71R2Mufc3efuNw/Me4Zn7VQCeOxxQ RWtnbMUgYNSr+ovtTOe7fGg= =ZNF1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-6CoB6ObY4CaRxlv60U06-- From dsilvers at debian.org Wed Aug 8 16:24:18 2007 From: dsilvers at debian.org (Daniel Silverstone) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:24:18 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Debian-UK Society AGM Message-ID: <1186586658.6247.15.camel@ataraxia> --=-BpJjW5eYdiRp3TQnK7NB Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable My name is Daniel Silverstone. I am a member of the Debian-UK Society and have been nominated by Vincent Sanders (current secretary) and seconded by Steve McIntyre (current treasurer) to be a delegate of Vincent Sanders for the purpose of and duration of the Debian-UK Society AGM 2007. As such, this email is the announcement of the Debian-UK Society AGM on Saturday August 25th 2007. The meeting will be held at the current treasurer's residence: 87 Kendal Way, Cambridge, CB4 1LP and will commence at 18:00 (6pm). All nominations for posts and motions must be sent to myself by Wednesday 22nd August. Last year's minutes was posted by Paul Martin in message <20070808111700.GA9468@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk>. Further details are available from the society wiki http://wiki.earth.li/DebianUKSociety Daniel Silverstone Acting Secretary, Debian-UK Society. --=20 Daniel Silverstone http://www.debian.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged. Key Id: 2BC8 4016 2068 7895 --=-BpJjW5eYdiRp3TQnK7NB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGueAiK8hAFiBoeJURAnqMAJ4hmueMvxNDmSKcv9OI7zXWFTpuagCeMi1q AUO6N1b0R2EFk7l43Ull9AE= =tUZc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-BpJjW5eYdiRp3TQnK7NB-- From colin at tuckley.org Wed Aug 8 20:46:01 2007 From: colin at tuckley.org (Colin Tuckley) Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 20:46:01 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Re: OMGWTFBBQ 2007! In-Reply-To: <1186599806.6026.4.camel@ataraxia> References: <20070626131740.GB16764@einval.com> <20070713170401.GR6314@einval.com> <20070808111700.GA9468@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> <46B9F262.1080400@tuckley.org> <1186599806.6026.4.camel@ataraxia> Message-ID: <46BA1D79.1000107@tuckley.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Daniel Silverstone wrote: > So, if 'Debian Maintainers' are recognised on db.debian.org as being > developers in Debian then they can join the Debian UK Society. Thanks for the fast response. This doesn't affect me since I won't be at the BBQ this year and I'm not a DD yet (although I will be by next year hopefully). However, my point was that since DMs are new maybe D-UK ought to look at their inclusion. The GR is too recent for us to know how it will be implemented but it's text does not mention db.debian.org. It would be a shame if D-UK missed the opportunity to include a group of people who while not actually DDs are something very similar. Hence my suggestion that it might be a good topic for a discussion/resolution at the AGM. regards, Colin - -- Colin Tuckley | colin@tuckley.org | PGP/GnuPG Key Id +44(0)1903 236872 | +44(0)7799 143369 | 0x1B3045CE What would life be like if there were no hypothetical questions? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGuh15j2OPlhswRc4RAoIrAJ9+yMxxPoIV2Pm6kUgRUh+pdk3WbwCgvrch YCT2cNeF3hZw4RPA2sR//Vc= =P4DI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From maulkin at halon.org.uk Wed Aug 8 22:28:40 2007 From: maulkin at halon.org.uk (Neil McGovern) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 22:28:40 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Re: OMGWTFBBQ 2007! In-Reply-To: <46BA1D79.1000107@tuckley.org> References: <20070626131740.GB16764@einval.com> <20070713170401.GR6314@einval.com> <20070808111700.GA9468@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> <46B9F262.1080400@tuckley.org> <1186599806.6026.4.camel@ataraxia> <46BA1D79.1000107@tuckley.org> Message-ID: <20070808212840.GM31390@mx0.halon.org.uk> On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 08:46:01PM +0100, Colin Tuckley wrote: > > So, if 'Debian Maintainers' are recognised on db.debian.org as being > > developers in Debian then they can join the Debian UK Society. > > However, my point was that since DMs are new maybe D-UK ought to look at > their inclusion. The GR is too recent for us to know how it will be > implemented but it's text does not mention db.debian.org. > Interesting. Possibly worth raising at the BBQ. Hopefully mysqlf, or someone else will remember :) Neil -- A. Because it breaks the logical sequence of discussion Q. Why is top posting bad? gpg key - http://www.halon.org.uk/pubkey.txt ; the.earth.li B345BDD3 From pm at debian.org Wed Aug 8 23:43:09 2007 From: pm at debian.org (Paul Martin) Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 23:43:09 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Debian-UK Society AGM In-Reply-To: <1186586658.6247.15.camel@ataraxia> References: <1186586658.6247.15.camel@ataraxia> Message-ID: <20070808224309.GA16458@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 08, 2007 at 04:24:18PM +0100, Daniel Silverstone wrote: It made sense until this point: > Last year's minutes was posted by Paul Martin in message > <20070808111700.GA9468@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk>. I *was* joking, you know. You do need something a little more concrete than that, even if it's just to fill in the variables. I wonder if Vince kept any notes last year. I remember only that I was there and that the vague structure was as described. The time may need to be flexible, due to the timing of the supermarket run. --=20 Paul Martin --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGukb9+gi+rt7UWRIRApVPAJ9kfqXb1aazP0DqVZb00Aw2cIXJxQCfSzhl lDuxnCc3fBRZ94Hv5XwV+1c= =AcQD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RnlQjJ0d97Da+TV1-- From dsilvers at debian.org Thu Aug 9 08:12:01 2007 From: dsilvers at debian.org (Daniel Silverstone) Date: Thu, 09 Aug 2007 08:12:01 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Debian-UK Society AGM In-Reply-To: <20070808224309.GA16458@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> References: <1186586658.6247.15.camel@ataraxia> <20070808224309.GA16458@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> Message-ID: <1186643521.31993.2.camel@ataraxia> --=-0apUdR6Dak8gUJ5Kbx/a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 23:43 +0100, Paul Martin wrote: > I *was* joking, you know. You do need something a little more > concrete than that, even if it's just to fill in the variables. I > wonder if Vince kept any notes last year. I hadn't managed to dig out the minutes from last year by that point and needed to get the mail sent. For reference, the minutes for the 2006 AGM of the Debian UK Society were: * Phil calls it to order at 17:13=20 * Vince explains the agenda as : Renomination of the committee and report=20 * Steve gave report: Balance of =C2=A3805.91, =C2=A3366.34 last year. We h= ave 135 T/polo =C2=A31111.39 Retail of =C2=A31580. Donations minus money spent on Debian is -=C2=A337= 7.78. * Everyone accepted it=20 * Unanimous keep committee=20 * Phil closes at 17:16=20 Also I have updated the wiki with pages for the 2006 and 2007 AGMs but I can't edit the main society page to add them. Can someone please do that, and appropriately lock the 2006 AGM page? > The time may need to be flexible, due to the timing of the > supermarket run. Indeed, although my aim is for 6pm. D. --=20 Daniel Silverstone http://www.debian.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged. Key Id: 2BC8 4016 2068 7895 --=-0apUdR6Dak8gUJ5Kbx/a Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGur5BK8hAFiBoeJURAkgJAJ0VXhzZ3T0jHf5G0K2q6FlJuuXFMQCggAN/ goLnGJQYCW9MVpnEHhiKCtY= =YLLM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-0apUdR6Dak8gUJ5Kbx/a-- From steve at einval.com Sun Aug 12 22:10:16 2007 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2007 22:10:16 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Debian UK Treasurer's report for June/July 2007 Message-ID: <20070812211016.GF6751@einval.com> --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies for the lack of report for June. Debconf and the aftermath kind of got in the way. In June, a *lot* of T-shirts were sold at Debconf, with all the proceeds going to Debconf funds. I've ordered more, including some to cover a large request from some Dutch DDs for a show there (money details next month). For the period 1 June to 31 July 2007: (All figures in GBP) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cash Income T-shirt sales 2,038.51 Donations 11.60 TOTAL IN 2,050.11 =20 Cash Expenditure None 0.00=20 NET CASH INCOME, June/July 2007 2,050.11 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D New assets =20 None 0.00 Assets disposed 267 Ts at Debconf, cost price - 2,038.51 1 T replacement (damaged) - 9.93 NET ASSETS DISPOSED, June/July 2007 268 Ts, cost price - 2,048.44 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Balance as at 01 June 2007 Cash at the bank 84.54 280 Ts, cost price 2,133.69 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D TOTAL 2,218.23 Balance carried forward to Aug 2007 Cash at the bank 2,134.65 12 Ts, cost price 85.25 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D TOTAL 2,219.90 --=20 Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.= com "Every time you use Tcl, God kills a kitten." -- Malcolm Ray --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGv3c3fDt5cIjHwfcRArskAJ9pE1PNuPxzeVNczgIIVHey9wCarQCgqo+U C0e3T8AqWzw9OQsyFrWRePE= =8r8W -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --YZ5djTAD1cGYuMQK-- From phil at hands.com Thu Aug 16 11:51:43 2007 From: phil at hands.com (Philip Hands) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 11:51:43 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Letter to the BBC re. DRM Message-ID: <46C42C3F.90804@hands.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Folks, There's an open letter that people might want to sign here: http://www.freethebbc.info/node/5 Would anyone object to my signing it as "The Chairman of the Debian UK Society"? I'll type a first draft below for comment. Cheers, Phil. First Draft: =-=-=-=- The BBC's choice to use a proprietary format, which is only available from Microsoft, is very likely to skew several markets by providing Microsoft with a monopoly on granting access to BBC content. Offers of a port for iPlayer to Linux, to arrive no sooner than 2 years from now, do not address this, especially since such a port, if it ever arrives, is almost certainly going to be Intel-only, whereas Debian releases on 11 architectures. An obvious example of an area where Microsoft will use this to skew things in their favour is the market for set-top boxes. Currently, Microsoft has a pretty small share of the Embedded market, and Linux powers many more set-top boxes (often ARM based, rather than Intel), with Debian Linux having a fairly large slice of those. If Microsoft is allowed to control BBC content as now seems to be the plan, they will restrict access to BBC content to those manufacturers that license their set-top box operating system from Microsoft. The ability to offer a "watch-again" feature is a definite competitive advantage, which Microsoft can (and almost certainly will) deny to manufacturers that make use of other Operating Systems. The way to avoid this is to publish the content in a format that is vendor neutral, and an open standard, so that anyone in this, or other novel markets are equally enabled to build viewers for the content. Of course, this militates against DRM, but as every attempt to deploy DRM has demonstrated, DRM is technically infeasible, and is bound to be circumvented. As such, any money spent on it has been wasted. The current approach is equivalent to announcing that after collaborating with Microsoft on the deployment of DAB, people are welcome to tune in, but they'll only be able to listen in if the radio they buy has a Microsoft logo on the front (and a significant chunk of the price winging its way to Redmond) There are many SME developers in this country working on set-top boxes, running Linux, and the BBC is taking the bread out of their mouths and giving it to Microsoft by their current actions. Please reconsider. =-=-=-=- BTW Does anyone have solid figures on what share of the embedded or set-top OS market is Linux vs. MS? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGxCwvYgOKS92bmRARAiFuAKCDstJFvhPops/GGblrcadGz/vnowCeNHtm T2hgeiFlpsocdbA7Etpy2L8= =OuKR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jdg at polya.uklinux.net Thu Aug 16 13:35:46 2007 From: jdg at polya.uklinux.net (Julian Gilbey) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 08:35:46 -0400 Subject: [Debian-uk] Letter to the BBC re. DRM In-Reply-To: <46C42C3F.90804@hands.com> References: <46C42C3F.90804@hands.com> Message-ID: <20070816123545.GA6686@euclid> --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 11:51:43AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 >=20 > Hi Folks, >=20 > There's an open letter that people might want to sign here: >=20 > http://www.freethebbc.info/node/5 >=20 > Would anyone object to my signing it as "The Chairman of the Debian UK > Society"? Go for it! Nice one, Phil, Julian --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: This_is_a_Debian_fixed_comment iD8DBQFGxEShDU59w/205FkRAgpaAJ9Ae920N3VpCwtIy5pw4a6tcKsFKgCfTP56 cv7vBnkdnRXwpvLopyTxHYM= =4fuN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --pWyiEgJYm5f9v55/-- From steve at einval.com Thu Aug 16 15:56:05 2007 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:56:05 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Letter to the BBC re. DRM In-Reply-To: <46C42C3F.90804@hands.com> References: <46C42C3F.90804@hands.com> Message-ID: <20070816145605.GE3738@einval.com> Hi Phil, On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 11:51:43AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: >Hi Folks, > >There's an open letter that people might want to sign here: > > http://www.freethebbc.info/node/5 > >Would anyone object to my signing it as "The Chairman of the Debian UK >Society"? To be honest, I'm not very happy about doing that. I'd be much happier just saying "Debian Developer" or similar - d-uk isn't meant to be doing active stuff separately from Debian IMHO. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com There's no sensation to compare with this Suspended animation, A state of bliss From noodles at earth.li Thu Aug 16 15:56:14 2007 From: noodles at earth.li (Jonathan McDowell) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:56:14 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Letter to the BBC re. DRM In-Reply-To: <46C42C3F.90804@hands.com> References: <46C42C3F.90804@hands.com> Message-ID: <20070816145613.GL11321@earth.li> --Ah9ph+G2cWRpKogL Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 11:51:43AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Hi Folks, >=20 > There's an open letter that people might want to sign here: >=20 > http://www.freethebbc.info/node/5 >=20 > Would anyone object to my signing it as "The Chairman of the Debian UK > Society"? My understanding was that DUS was setup to prevent the "Steve gets run over by a bus and all of Debian's money in the UK becomes inaccessible" problem. Hence trying to have a very "light" society, because it doesn't do much. I don't think that signing petitions/open letters on behalf of the society fits in with this, so I would prefer it if you didn't sign as the chairman. The society should hold the money, disperse it as the DPL advises and that's basically it, IMO. (As balance I add the fact that the lurkers don't support me on IRC; and I concede their point that whatever the majority of the society want should happen.) J. --=20 noodles is a green buckwheat noodle colored and flavored with green tea This .sig brought to you by the letter Y and the number 39 Product of the Republic of HuggieTag --Ah9ph+G2cWRpKogL Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGxGWN8b1L5FtDA2cRAggCAJ9deOh9f1JEa5t9EgQ9J+Xj2nGECQCeI5UB V2hH4LuZZ4l8ISv8+4tAu5A= =ypR7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --Ah9ph+G2cWRpKogL-- From phil at hands.com Thu Aug 16 16:43:02 2007 From: phil at hands.com (Philip Hands) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 16:43:02 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Letter to the BBC re. DRM In-Reply-To: <20070816145613.GL11321@earth.li> References: <46C42C3F.90804@hands.com> <20070816145613.GL11321@earth.li> Message-ID: <46C47086.3050402@hands.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Jonathan McDowell wrote: > On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 11:51:43AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: >> Hi Folks, >> >> There's an open letter that people might want to sign here: >> >> http://www.freethebbc.info/node/5 >> >> Would anyone object to my signing it as "The Chairman of the Debian UK >> Society"? > > My understanding was that DUS was setup to prevent the "Steve gets run > over by a bus and all of Debian's money in the UK becomes inaccessible" > problem. Hence trying to have a very "light" society, because it > doesn't do much. I don't think that signing petitions/open letters on > behalf of the society fits in with this, so I would prefer it if you > didn't sign as the chairman. The society should hold the money, > disperse it as the DPL advises and that's basically it, IMO. > > (As balance I add the fact that the lurkers don't support me on IRC; > and I concede their point that whatever the majority of the society > want should happen.) Nah, on reflection I agree with you, so I'll not be doing it. I'll sign it as an individual, and would encourage others to do the same. I think we can take this as a precedent that there is really no circumstance under which the officers of the Debian UK Society will express opinions on anything that might more properly be expressed by the DPL on behalf of Debian as a whole. Actually, the last time I mentioned that I was Chairman of the Debian UK Society the incompetent journo. wrote that down as President of Debian or some such nonsense, so it's definitely safer to never mention the position in public again, so that's going to be what I'll be doing in future. I think anyone that's still confused about the purpose of the Society can take this as proof that it really is just an excuse for a bank account. Cheers, Phil. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGxHCDYgOKS92bmRARAmEgAKCHzm32U62IpFuesM97o32UBMAbSgCdF89h PTM8tpvn6HS7miSB4IwDD/c= =V4+l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From Sam Bashton Thu Aug 16 15:42:44 2007 From: Sam Bashton (Sam Bashton) Date: Thu, 16 Aug 2007 15:42:44 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Letter to the BBC re. DRM In-Reply-To: <46C42C3F.90804@hands.com> References: <46C42C3F.90804@hands.com> Message-ID: <20070816144243.GB15330@bashton.com> --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, Aug 16, 2007 at 11:51:43AM +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > Hi Folks, >=20 > There's an open letter that people might want to sign here: >=20 > http://www.freethebbc.info/node/5 >=20 > Would anyone object to my signing it as "The Chairman of the Debian UK > Society"? I don't feel I'm in a position to object even if I wanted to, but personally I'm much happier with this than the hysterical 'The=20 BBC are all shape-shifting reptiles who team up with Microsoft and=20 eat babies' stuff Defective by Design seem to be coming out with. --=20 Sam Bashton - Bashton Ltd, Manchester, England Linux Consultancy / VOIP Telephony / High Availability Systems www.bashton.com - 0161-424-9600 --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGxGJjUfE0fMAQ9eoRAjwtAJ9VeJIqTIV/fUjWHMmw3+Rc0bWBTACfSJ9w xQ4miKOopxn/9Eiikniiv6g= =+2FT -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --UHN/qo2QbUvPLonB-- From phil at hands.com Sat Aug 18 11:40:36 2007 From: phil at hands.com (Philip Hands) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 11:40:36 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Things taking up space in my garage, that would look good in yours ;-) Message-ID: <46C6CCA4.6080901@hands.com> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi Folks, Well, when I say garage, in some cases I mean dining room, which causes the love of my life to frown, so this stuff needs to go to a good home (i.e. yours) -- it's either that or calling Steptoe & Son in. Sun Ultra 10, Midi Tower Sun Ultra 5, Large Pizza-Box 3 off Sun Sparcstation 20, Pizza-Box 3 off Sun Ultra Enterprise 2, Desktops 3 off Compaq Proliant 3000, 6U Rackmount 6-8 drive bays (will populate it with disks for you) raid controller A couple of processors IIRC -- box probably takes 4 HP Rackmount SCSI enclosures (I've got a load of these) Model: A3312A 8 disks (in sizes from 9.1 GB downwards) 2 hot-swap PSUs about 4 or 5U IIRC Compaq Proliant 6400R (3U server) Compaq Proliant 1850R (3U server) (got a few of these) matching 3U SCSI disk shelf, with 12x 9GB disks Alpha Server 2100 (size of a 2 drawer filing cabinet) HP D-class 9000 P/N: A3337A These are all available for collection in North East London. If you collect, you can have them for free (unless several of you fancy starting a bidding war over some item :-) If you want them delivered, well, none of this stuff is liable to go in the post (at least not for an amount that's less than what it's worth) but if you're reasonably close to N.E. London I may be persuaded to deliver in return for a reasonable bribe. I also go up and down the M11 to Cambridge fairly regularly, so if you're somewhere near that route, that's also a possibility. So, Roll Up! Roll Up! You know you don't want to see a faithful old computer with years of life in it yet being torn disk from RAM by the recycling jackals ;-) Cheers, Phil. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGxsyZYgOKS92bmRARAlfZAKCSOSNwiMnp8jNA5prtkgQICqxwJgCdGzLp DXRKpHmfo92cGQBIhCNRbK4= =sa4B -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From acrow at integrafin.co.uk Sat Aug 18 12:38:16 2007 From: acrow at integrafin.co.uk (Alex Crow) Date: Sat, 18 Aug 2007 12:38:16 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Re: [Gllug] Things taking up space in my garage, that would look good in yours ; -) In-Reply-To: <46C6CCA4.6080901@hands.com> References: <46C6CCA4.6080901@hands.com> Message-ID: <1187437096.22638.2.camel@localhost> Phil, What are the specs of the Sun boxes? Mainly interested in CPU/RAM. I presume they all special monitor cables rather than HD15. I just threw away a 20" Sony with 4 BNC connectors... Alex On Sat, 2007-08-18 at 11:40 +0100, Philip Hands wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Hi Folks, > > Well, when I say garage, in some cases I mean dining room, which causes the > love of my life to frown, so this stuff needs to go to a good home (i.e. > yours) -- it's either that or calling Steptoe & Son in. > > Sun Ultra 10, Midi Tower > > Sun Ultra 5, Large Pizza-Box 3 off > > Sun Sparcstation 20, Pizza-Box 3 off > > Sun Ultra Enterprise 2, Desktops 3 off > > Compaq Proliant 3000, 6U Rackmount > 6-8 drive bays (will populate it with disks for you) > raid controller > A couple of processors IIRC -- box probably takes 4 > > HP Rackmount SCSI enclosures (I've got a load of these) > Model: A3312A > 8 disks (in sizes from 9.1 GB downwards) > 2 hot-swap PSUs > about 4 or 5U IIRC > > Compaq Proliant 6400R (3U server) > > Compaq Proliant 1850R (3U server) (got a few of these) > > matching 3U SCSI disk shelf, with 12x 9GB disks > > Alpha Server 2100 (size of a 2 drawer filing cabinet) > > HP D-class 9000 P/N: A3337A > > These are all available for collection in North East London. > > If you collect, you can have them for free (unless several of you fancy > starting a bidding war over some item :-) > > If you want them delivered, well, none of this stuff is liable to go in the > post (at least not for an amount that's less than what it's worth) but if > you're reasonably close to N.E. London I may be persuaded to deliver in > return for a reasonable bribe. I also go up and down the M11 to Cambridge > fairly regularly, so if you're somewhere near that route, that's also a > possibility. > > So, Roll Up! Roll Up! > > You know you don't want to see a faithful old computer with years of life > in it yet being torn disk from RAM by the recycling jackals ;-) > > Cheers, Phil. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org > > iD8DBQFGxsyZYgOKS92bmRARAlfZAKCSOSNwiMnp8jNA5prtkgQICqxwJgCdGzLp > DXRKpHmfo92cGQBIhCNRbK4= > =sa4B > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- From liw at iki.fi Sun Aug 19 10:21:03 2007 From: liw at iki.fi (Lars Wirzenius) Date: Sun, 19 Aug 2007 12:21:03 +0300 Subject: [Debian-uk] Dinner or drink in London? Message-ID: <1187515263.5041.57.camel@dorfl.lan> I'm visiting London next week, arriving on Tuesday evening and leaving on Saturday morning for Cambrdige (heading for the BBQ). Would any of the London-based Debian people like to meet on Wednesday through Friday, for dinner or a drink in a pub (real pubs! how exotic!) or something? I'm not subscribed to the list, so please Cc me on any replies. I'm also not necessarily going to be online while in London (I've no idea where to find free wifi), so any replies after Tuesday 13:00 (UTC time) are possibly not going to reach me in time. However, call or text me at +358503442558 in that case. -- Yet another password: just say no. From dsilvers at digital-scurf.org Wed Aug 22 15:32:39 2007 From: dsilvers at digital-scurf.org (Daniel Silverstone) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 15:32:39 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Debian-UK Society AGM In-Reply-To: <1186586658.6247.15.camel@ataraxia> References: <1186586658.6247.15.camel@ataraxia> Message-ID: <1187793159.26575.11.camel@ataraxia> --=-gTBmcFOmSJHb/3IEeC3h Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 16:24 +0100, Daniel Silverstone wrote: > All nominations for posts and motions must be sent to myself by > Wednesday 22nd August. You have approximately eight and a half hours left to send in nominations etc. So far, I have received nominations but no motions. Regards, Daniel --=20 Daniel Silverstone http://www.digital-scurf.org/ PGP mail accepted and encouraged. Key Id: 2BC8 4016 2068 7895 --=-gTBmcFOmSJHb/3IEeC3h Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBGzEkHK8hAFiBoeJURArhJAKCgc3hC3J7NJrXSQwTWjjJtscncRQCeLuRp BYYF4nwSlCqQvlLKA9zt1cQ= =4QIa -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gTBmcFOmSJHb/3IEeC3h-- From pm at debian.org Wed Aug 22 23:08:10 2007 From: pm at debian.org (Paul Martin) Date: Wed, 22 Aug 2007 23:08:10 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Debian-UK Society AGM In-Reply-To: <1187793159.26575.11.camel@ataraxia> References: <1186586658.6247.15.camel@ataraxia> <1187793159.26575.11.camel@ataraxia> Message-ID: <20070822220809.GA14325@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 22, 2007 at 03:32:39PM +0100, Daniel Silverstone wrote: > On Wed, 2007-08-08 at 16:24 +0100, Daniel Silverstone wrote: > > All nominations for posts and motions must be sent to myself by > > Wednesday 22nd August. >=20 > You have approximately eight and a half hours left to send in > nominations etc. >=20 > So far, I have received nominations but no motions. "It's just a jump to the left..." --=20 Paul Martin --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh Content-Type: application/pgp-signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGzLPJ+gi+rt7UWRIRAjjnAJ9qbrIu5LWWTfRRL0oH4EUQEjyjDgCdERk7 vsmDQpAioc1qeySMWxFEWjg= =NJBm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --NzB8fVQJ5HfG6fxh-- From chris.halls at credativ.co.uk Wed Aug 29 15:48:16 2007 From: chris.halls at credativ.co.uk (Chris Halls) Date: Wed, 29 Aug 2007 15:48:16 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] [JOB] Debian job in Rugby Message-ID: <200708291548.16936.chris.halls@credativ.co.uk> Hi everyone credativ has a position open in Rugby for a technical engineer. The job will involve a mixture of system and network administration, packaging and technical support. The company is very Debian friendly (10 DDs at the last count) and will include contributing to Debian. There are more details on the website here: http://www.credativ.co.uk/technical_engineer_job Chris -- credativ limited is registered in England & Wales, company no. 5261743 registered office: Suite 2 Bloxam Court, Corporation Street, Rugby CV21 2DU From jon at alcopop.org Fri Aug 31 22:42:56 2007 From: jon at alcopop.org (Jon Dowland) Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2007 22:42:56 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] cambridge, saturday night (linuxconf 2007) Message-ID: <20070831214256.GA19638@alcopop.org> Hi all, I'm travelling to Cambridge on friday for the Linuxconf 2007 starting on sunday morning, and I'll be at a loose end on Saturday from about 7pm onwards. Is anyone around for some grub and/or a drink or two? :-) -- Jon Dowland