From madduck at debian.org Mon Apr 2 14:13:11 2007 From: madduck at debian.org (martin f krafft) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2007 15:13:11 +0200 Subject: [Debian-uk] porcupine tree, april 25 in cambridge Message-ID: <20070402131311.GA3840@piper.oerlikon.madduck.net> --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 25 April 2007, I plan to see Porcupine Tree in concert in Cambridge. Why: http://blog.madduck.net/music/2006.10.12_in-love-with-porcupine-tree What: http://porcupinetree.com/tour.cfm When/Where: http://www.junction.co.uk/HTMLTemplates/whats_on/music/PORCUPIN= E_TREE.htm?date_typed=3Dwednesday%2025th%20april%20%20%7C%20%20doors%207pm They are supported by Amplifier, which is going to make this evening rock *a lot*: http://blog.madduck.net/music/2007.02.22_amplifier If anyone would like to accompany me and a bunch of friends, let me know! The airport to fly into is Stansted, which is serviced by Easyjet and RyanAir (@hkunz: Basel...), and the sooner you book, the cheaper it'll be. Who's in? Cheers, --=20 Please do not send copies of list mail to me; I read the list! =20 .''`. martin f. krafft : :' : proud Debian developer, author, administrator, and user `. `'` http://people.debian.org/~madduck - http://debiansystem.info `- Debian - when you have better things to do than fixing systems =20 remember, half the people you know are below average. --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature (GPG/PGP) Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGEQFnIgvIgzMMSnURAgC6AJ9WgXkPbOIWWOLzuNB2OkN6QpkS3gCcDuKA snVpl8CeHRXANEA+xl07drU= =drhg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --ReaqsoxgOBHFXBhH-- From steve at einval.com Tue Apr 3 23:45:12 2007 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 23:45:12 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Debian UK Treasurer's report for February 2007 Message-ID: <20070403224512.GD25511@einval.com> --p4qYPpj5QlsIQJ0K Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Apologies, delayed again due to lots of other stuff things coming up in the last month. March will follow straight away. February was a nice busy month, culminating in the trip to FOSDEM and the usual fun time with DDs and other Free Software developers from all over Europe. We very nearly sold out of Ts and other stuff, as mentioned in previous mail. We have also picked up the cost of some Debian-logo keychains for Martin Michlmayr (tbm) to carry with him when going to conferences etc. as giveaways. For the period 1 February to 28 February 2007: (All figures in GBP) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cash Income T-shirt sales 142.06 Takings from FOSDEM 1,865.87 Donations 36.80 TOTAL IN 2,044.73 =20 Cash Expenditure More T-shirts - 543.56 Cost of pendants sold at FOSDEM - 93.87 Cost of keychains sold at FOSDEM - 67.92 More keychains passed on to Martin Michlmayr - 67.93 Reimbursememt to Annabelle Tully for DV tapes used - 46.31 in filming FOSDEM sessions, and more stock for upcoming events. TOTAL OUT - 819.59=20 NET CASH INCOME, February 2007 1,225.14 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D New assets =20 63 New Ts, cost price 543.56 Assets disposed 214 Ts, cost price - 1,700.93 NET ASSETS DISPOSED, February 2007 151 Ts, cost price - 1,157.37 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Balance as at 01 February 2007 Cash at the bank 782.36 175 Ts, cost price 1,354.01 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D TOTAL 2,136.37 Balance carried forward Cash at the bank 2,007.50 24 Ts, cost price 196.64 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D TOTAL 2,204.14 --=20 Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.= com You raise the blade, you make the change... You re-arrange me 'til I'm sane= =2E.. --p4qYPpj5QlsIQJ0K Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGEtj4fDt5cIjHwfcRAlsYAJ4jHN3AEdbJdy29oNNFpxrAR0ixAQCfQVPm Cuur/I/KA2wIwxwjyfYUKwI= =5GlV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --p4qYPpj5QlsIQJ0K-- From steve at einval.com Tue Apr 3 23:49:46 2007 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2007 23:49:46 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Debian UK Treasurer's report for March 2007 Message-ID: <20070403224946.GE25511@einval.com> --B4IIlcmfBL/1gGOG Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable And March went quiet... :-) For the period 1 March to 31 March 2007: (All figures in GBP) =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Cash Income T-shirt sales 10.00 TOTAL IN 10.00 =20 Cash Expenditure TOTAL OUT 0.00=20 NET CASH INCOME, March 2007 10.00 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D New assets =20 None 0.00 Assets disposed 1 T, cost price - 8.05 NET ASSETS DISPOSED, March 2007 1 Ts, cost price - 8.05 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D Balance as at 01 March 2007 Cash at the bank 2,007.50 24 Ts, cost price 196.64 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D TOTAL 2,204.14 Balance carried forward Cash at the bank 2,017.50 24 Ts, cost price 188.59 =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D TOTAL 2,206.09 --=20 Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.= com You lock the door And throw away the key There's someone in my head but it's not me=20 --B4IIlcmfBL/1gGOG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGEtoKfDt5cIjHwfcRAkdkAJ0VsPzbU59B2hu+ZXm2I7a8GtFEkwCdF7N6 ntD5BaVdgtxMoI7H+528CJU= =RJrc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --B4IIlcmfBL/1gGOG-- From steve at einval.com Wed Apr 4 09:51:58 2007 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 09:51:58 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Debian UK Treasurer's report for March 2007 In-Reply-To: <461345D2.2010001@zeus.ugent.be> References: <20070403224946.GE25511@einval.com> <461345D2.2010001@zeus.ugent.be> Message-ID: <20070404085158.GB2688@einval.com> --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 08:29:38AM +0200, Luk Claes wrote: >Steve McIntyre wrote: >>=20 >> Balance carried forward >>=20 >> Cash at the bank 2,017.50 >> 24 Ts, cost price 188.59 > >Shouldn't this be 23 Ts? Doh, yes. Typo. 24 - 1 =3D 23... :-) --=20 Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.= com Getting a SCSI chain working is perfectly simple if you remember that the= re must be exactly three terminations: one on one end of the cable, one on t= he far end, and the goat, terminated over the SCSI chain with a silver-handl= ed knife whilst burning *black* candles. --- Anthony DeBoer --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGE2cufDt5cIjHwfcRAurzAJ98pa1afdirw9GIhJst49Hi47khAQCgoJex iYYDn7TuitW7hsXOvvzKhfY= =kg6S -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rS8CxjVDS/+yyDmU-- From steve at einval.com Wed Apr 4 11:01:12 2007 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 11:01:12 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Etch release party, Cambridge, 14th April Message-ID: <20070404100112.GB25196@einval.com> --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable It seems we're going to release soon. Once it's done, I'd like to get really quite drunk and I don't like drinking alone... :-) Therefore, please come and join me in Cambridge on the weekend of Saturday the 14th. There'll be booze, and probably some other DDs around. Oh, and I might just *possibly* be persuaded to light the bbq as well. *grin* http://wiki.earth.li/EtchReleaseParty for more details and sign-up. --=20 Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.= com "...In the UNIX world, people tend to interpret `non-technical user' as meaning someone who's only ever written one device driver." -- Daniel P= ead --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGE3dofDt5cIjHwfcRAiTgAJ9WCcctWuOxXRlCEylG5VGAUnlEEQCfeq7g X8G38QjPpk7VPY2PyDjZQ+A= =6H+c -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --opJtzjQTFsWo+cga-- From luk at zeus.ugent.be Wed Apr 4 07:29:38 2007 From: luk at zeus.ugent.be (Luk Claes) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 08:29:38 +0200 Subject: [Debian-uk] Debian UK Treasurer's report for March 2007 In-Reply-To: <20070403224946.GE25511@einval.com> References: <20070403224946.GE25511@einval.com> Message-ID: <461345D2.2010001@zeus.ugent.be> This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig3B1F6412A8CDE310B4DCAECF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Steve McIntyre wrote: > And March went quiet... :-) >=20 > For the period 1 March to 31 March 2007: > (All figures in GBP) >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Cash Income > T-shirt sales 10.00 >=20 > TOTAL IN 10.00 =20 >=20 > Cash Expenditure >=20 > TOTAL OUT 0.00=20 >=20 > NET CASH INCOME, March 2007 10.00 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > New assets =20 > None 0.00 >=20 > Assets disposed > 1 T, cost price - 8.05 >=20 > NET ASSETS DISPOSED, March 2007 > 1 Ts, cost price - 8.05 >=20 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D >=20 > Balance as at 01 March 2007 >=20 > Cash at the bank 2,007.50 > 24 Ts, cost price 196.64 > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D > TOTAL 2,204.14 >=20 > Balance carried forward >=20 > Cash at the bank 2,017.50 > 24 Ts, cost price 188.59 Shouldn't this be 23 Ts? Cheers Luk > =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D > TOTAL 2,206.09 >=20 --------------enig3B1F6412A8CDE310B4DCAECF Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGE0XW5UTeB5t8Mo0RAoyQAJ9uU0Rft2OeMpVAY5a5WKG+QYpNzgCfX4Aq x/OyJm432cGQ5tqiHsjfnIc= =GqND -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig3B1F6412A8CDE310B4DCAECF-- From joel at joelmerrick.com Wed Apr 4 14:59:17 2007 From: joel at joelmerrick.com (Joel Merrick) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 14:59:17 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? Message-ID: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> With the advent of Vista and all the bells and whistles that it provides, one can't help think that a lot of this functionality is grossly overkill for a small business environment. I've not actually checked how SBS2003 will develop, but I'm sure that it will continue to tow the glitzier line Myself and a friend are looking to create a debian based system that contains some of the details what are listed below, but presented in a fashion that is easy for the end user to understand (even easier than webmin!). You see, to some end user I've shown webmin to, they've completely understood the concept, but still lacked some of the technical capability to properly use it and configure their servers as needed. Anyway, here is some of the list that we are thinking about implementing: * Caching DNS Server * DHCP Server * Iptables firewall / NAT * Content filtering * Local intranet CMS - LAMP-based * Shared wiki and / or blogs * Groupware * Email server * Shared calendars * Spam scanning with mgmnt * LDAP directory server * A/V - clamd * Database server - Mysql * Jabber server * SAMBA File-server * Client auth for Lin / Win clients * Remote mounted home directories * Printer sharing for Lin / Win clients * Terminal Services? I realize that these are a lot of services, so let's boil them down to a few essential services * File sharing * Print sharing * Email * 'Clean' Internet access to other LAN machines. What I'd be interested in knowing, is people's experience of such small business environments. How much certain aspects are used=85 such as how much groupware is used etc.. I'm sure that these are pretty open ended questions with even more open ended answers, but any input would be most welcome Thanks! From Sam Bashton Wed Apr 4 15:51:52 2007 From: Sam Bashton (Sam Bashton) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:51:52 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? In-Reply-To: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> References: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070404145152.GA3352@bashton.com> --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 02:59:17PM +0100, Joel Merrick wrote: > Myself and a friend are looking to create a debian based system that > contains some of the details what are listed below, but presented in a > fashion that is easy for the end user to understand (even easier than > webmin!). You see, to some end user I've shown webmin to, they've > completely understood the concept, but still lacked some of the > technical capability to properly use it and configure their servers as > needed. Before you go re-inventing the wheel you might want to take a look at eBox Platform, which already does much of what you describe: http://ebox-platform.com/ It has a pretty web-based front-end, and fulfils most of the requirements for a small business server. Regards, --=20 Sam Bashton - Bashton Ltd, Manchester, England Linux Consultancy / VOIP Telephony / High Availability Systems www.bashton.com - 0845-004-1657 --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFGE7uIUfE0fMAQ9eoRAgD7AKCN6IBbxyz+tbC9porZV9yWBcG7/gCeOD08 5/mN1Fs98uGp5WCisaFH9D0= =I0rB -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --fUYQa+Pmc3FrFX/N-- From simon at technocool.net Wed Apr 4 17:54:02 2007 From: simon at technocool.net (Simon Waters) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2007 17:54:02 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? In-Reply-To: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> References: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4613D82A.7020603@technocool.net> Joel Merrick wrote: > > What I'd be interested in knowing, is people's experience of such > small business environments. How much certain aspects are used… such > as how much groupware is used etc.. > > I'm sure that these are pretty open ended questions with even more > open ended answers, but any input would be most welcome One thing W2003 has which is nice, is the snapshot style system (Shadow Copies). Classic Microsoft, nice feature, easy to use, but the administrator has to install extra software everywhere for it to work, and it is very badly implemented. You only have to look in the direction of the computer, and it deletes all the shadow copies. I've been meaning to write a Debian specific "How To" on implementing similar functionality with XFS without the drawbacks. It isn't hard, but I felt the need to make it "obvious". Of course our small business has 200GB of files belonging to 10,000's of people on a volume doing that, so we probably find this sort of recovery more useful than the average small business, and we only use it a couple of times a month. My experience is groupware, and shared calendar features are used a lot less than people intend in small businesses. This may well be due to implementation issues - it is more work than it saves. Which is why the online services hold such appeal. One to add "backup", and again a deal with an online provider, rather than relying on the end users may be the way to go?! Simon From simon at technocool.net Thu Apr 5 12:40:05 2007 From: simon at technocool.net (Simon Waters) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 12:40:05 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? In-Reply-To: <543a57a80704050148t51f8f5f3y2234736396f9334e@mail.gmail.com> References: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> <4613D82A.7020603@technocool.net> <543a57a80704050148t51f8f5f3y2234736396f9334e@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4614E015.1060507@technocool.net> Joel Merrick wrote: > >> I've been meaning to write a Debian specific "How To" on implementing >> similar functionality with XFS without the drawbacks. It isn't hard, but >> I felt the need to make it "obvious". > > That's very interesting.. Is this down to XATTRs on XFS itself or is > it some other implementation, just running on top of XFS (and > applicable to EXT3 or JFS/Reiser etc...)? My understanding is that XFS has the best snapshot implementation with regard to doing snapshots of active filesystems. As I said I want to write it up, to force me to research such points, such as if that is actually the case or just some errant idea I picked up from an XFS bigot (I'm a ReiserFS user for most of my systems, but then most aren't trying to use snapshots). From pm at debian.org Thu Apr 5 13:03:23 2007 From: pm at debian.org (Paul Martin) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:03:23 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? In-Reply-To: <4614E015.1060507@technocool.net> References: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> <4613D82A.7020603@technocool.net> <543a57a80704050148t51f8f5f3y2234736396f9334e@mail.gmail.com> <4614E015.1060507@technocool.net> Message-ID: <20070405120322.GA27355@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 12:40:05PM +0100, Simon Waters wrote: > actually the case or just some errant idea I picked up from an XFS bigot > (I'm a ReiserFS user for most of my systems, but then most aren't trying > to use snapshots). I have a niggling feeling that Reiser3's metadata gets heavily fragmented eventually. I can't prove it, but copying the root drive of my laptop to XFS has made a noticeable difference in file access time on exactly the same hard drive. (Copy off, mkfs, copy back, is one of the best ways to defrag.) -- Paul Martin From joel at joelmerrick.com Wed Apr 4 15:59:57 2007 From: joel at joelmerrick.com (Joel Merrick) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 15:59:57 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? In-Reply-To: <20070404145152.GA3352@bashton.com> References: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> <20070404145152.GA3352@bashton.com> Message-ID: <543a57a80704040759t31157bd5wbd9e6c45a644d31a@mail.gmail.com> On 4/4/07, Sam Bashton wrote: > http://ebox-platform.com/ > > It has a pretty web-based front-end, and fulfils most of the > requirements for a small business server. > Wow, that's awesome.. exactly the kind of thing that I was looking for! I can't believe I've never heard of it yet Thanks for the heads-up From joel at joelmerrick.com Thu Apr 5 09:48:50 2007 From: joel at joelmerrick.com (Joel Merrick) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 09:48:50 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? In-Reply-To: <4613D82A.7020603@technocool.net> References: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> <4613D82A.7020603@technocool.net> Message-ID: <543a57a80704050148t51f8f5f3y2234736396f9334e@mail.gmail.com> On 4/4/07, Simon Waters wrote: > One thing W2003 has which is nice, is the snapshot style system (Shadow > Copies). > > Classic Microsoft, nice feature, easy to use, but the administrator has > to install extra software everywhere for it to work, and it is very > badly implemented. You only have to look in the direction of the > computer, and it deletes all the shadow copies. > > I've been meaning to write a Debian specific "How To" on implementing > similar functionality with XFS without the drawbacks. It isn't hard, but > I felt the need to make it "obvious". That's very interesting.. Is this down to XATTRs on XFS itself or is it some other implementation, just running on top of XFS (and applicable to EXT3 or JFS/Reiser etc...)? From joel at joelmerrick.com Thu Apr 5 13:14:56 2007 From: joel at joelmerrick.com (Joel Merrick) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:14:56 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? In-Reply-To: <4614E015.1060507@technocool.net> References: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> <4613D82A.7020603@technocool.net> <543a57a80704050148t51f8f5f3y2234736396f9334e@mail.gmail.com> <4614E015.1060507@technocool.net> Message-ID: <543a57a80704050514g75548e64t56cb2c75c6357203@mail.gmail.com> On 4/5/07, Simon Waters wrote: > Joel Merrick wrote: > > > >> I've been meaning to write a Debian specific "How To" on implementing > >> similar functionality with XFS without the drawbacks. It isn't hard, but > >> I felt the need to make it "obvious". > > > > That's very interesting.. Is this down to XATTRs on XFS itself or is > > it some other implementation, just running on top of XFS (and > > applicable to EXT3 or JFS/Reiser etc...)? > > My understanding is that XFS has the best snapshot implementation with > regard to doing snapshots of active filesystems. As I said I want to > write it up, to force me to research such points, such as if that is > actually the case or just some errant idea I picked up from an XFS bigot > (I'm a ReiserFS user for most of my systems, but then most aren't trying > to use snapshots). > Ahh, I see. It's possible to snapshot using LVM (1) (something else that I learnt today!).. XFS just has extra tools to freeze the filesystem first. (2) It seems as though you just freeze using xfs_freeze and then snapshot the system and then unfreeze. This looks really useful, not only for the project above, but a lot of implementations already out in the wild. (1) http://tldp.org/HOWTO/LVM-HOWTO/snapshots_backup.html (2) http://arstechnica.com/articles/columns/linux/linux-20041013.ars From simon at technocool.net Thu Apr 5 13:50:40 2007 From: simon at technocool.net (Simon Waters) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 13:50:40 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? In-Reply-To: <543a57a80704050514g75548e64t56cb2c75c6357203@mail.gmail.com> References: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> <4613D82A.7020603@technocool.net> <543a57a80704050148t51f8f5f3y2234736396f9334e@mail.gmail.com> <4614E015.1060507@technocool.net> <543a57a80704050514g75548e64t56cb2c75c6357203@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4614F0A0.10801@technocool.net> Joel Merrick wrote: > > Ahh, I see. It's possible to snapshot using LVM (1) (something else > that I learnt today!).. XFS just has extra tools to freeze the > filesystem first. (2) > > It seems as though you just freeze using xfs_freeze and then snapshot > the system and then unfreeze. Seems my XFS comment was both right, and out of date ;) xfs-freeze has gone (assuming your kernel is recent, it is all done by magic when you need it these days!). A quick check in the 2.6.20 source code suggests that this is now done by the file system super_lockfs code, which is implemented in; ext3, ext4, gfs2, jfs, reiserfs, xfs The ntfs code has; //.write_super_lockfs = NULL, /* ? */ Which I guess won't do the job ;) Nothing here says anything about the maturity of the implementations, but I guess you pays your money to Linus and friends, and takes your pick. 2.6.15 kernel I checked didn't have this for ext4, or gfs2, so I'd guess they might not be the wisest choices for betting the enterprise snapshots on just yet. From jason at ukfsn.org Thu Apr 5 13:43:55 2007 From: jason at ukfsn.org (Jason Clifford) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 13:43:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? In-Reply-To: <543a57a80704040759t31157bd5wbd9e6c45a644d31a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2007, Joel Merrick wrote: > > http://ebox-platform.com/ > > Wow, that's awesome.. exactly the kind of thing that I was looking for! Now if it integraded a VoIP platform it would be a ready made office in a box solution. Jason -- UKFSN.ORG Finance Free Software while you surf the 'net http://www.ukfsn.org/ up to 8Mb ADSL Broadband from just £14.98 http://www.linuxadsl.co.uk/ ADSL routers from just £21.98 From simon at technocool.net Thu Apr 5 20:39:07 2007 From: simon at technocool.net (Simon Waters) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:39:07 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? In-Reply-To: <543a57a80704040759t31157bd5wbd9e6c45a644d31a@mail.gmail.com> References: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> <20070404145152.GA3352@bashton.com> <543a57a80704040759t31157bd5wbd9e6c45a644d31a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <4615505B.8030601@technocool.net> This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enigF96BF22101E83A5AB5D371C3 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Joel Merrick wrote: > On 4/4/07, Sam Bashton wrote: >=20 >> http://ebox-platform.com/ >> >> It has a pretty web-based front-end, and fulfils most of the >> requirements for a small business server. >> >=20 > Wow, that's awesome.. exactly the kind of thing that I was looking for!= >=20 > I can't believe I've never heard of it yet Didn't Sonicwall start out with a similar "all in one" type product early on in their business life? Not as sophisticated, but then it was a while ago. The website suggests the have become a specialist security company, or perhaps I'm confusing them with some other company? It was a firewall, come server. Bad combination in many ways, but I guess done right, with a big "not this Ethernet port", it could be manageable. Simon --------------enigF96BF22101E83A5AB5D371C3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: Encryption...is a powerful defensive weapon for free people. Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFGFVBbGFXfHI9FVgYRAgsiAJ4iFePokAXH1NBKBVt99mZV3tpzMQCg2IfW LQAu+fybjmRUESCLIcG3v/4= =cfZ3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enigF96BF22101E83A5AB5D371C3-- From jcranwellward at gmail.com Thu Apr 5 21:13:01 2007 From: jcranwellward at gmail.com (James Cranwell-Ward) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 21:13:01 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Ethernet bridge problem Message-ID: <703ba4810704051313t4c4d0e37h68e6f28b327351d6@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_56506_31087444.1175803981251 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Dear all, This is slightly off topic, but i need a little help with a Linksys WGA54G Ethernet bridge. I have manged to lock myself out of the web front end by firstly encrypting the wireless to use a wep 128-bit router, then setting the bridge to use DHCP to get an IP address from the router. This meant that the default IP of 192.168.1.250 has been overwritten with assigned IP from the router. I checked what the IP address was by looking in the DHCP client tables of the router (also Linksys). The IP listed did not seem to be correct since I could not access the web front end. My problem is that I don't know what the IP address is on the hard wired Ethernet port and I cant get the bridge to connect to my router (since i cant access the setup) so I cant assign a new address by DHCP that I can use to access the web front end. I need away to scan for the IP address in use when it is connected to my computer. I have already tried a ping utility that scans IP ranges, to scan the range used by the router for DHCP but with no luck. It could be any address with in the 255.255.255.0 subnet. Any ideas? James ------=_Part_56506_31087444.1175803981251 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Dear all,

This is slightly off topic, but i need a little help with a Linksys WGA54G Ethernet bridge.
I have manged to lock myself out of the web front end by firstly encrypting the wireless
to use a wep 128-bit router, then setting the bridge to use DHCP to get an IP address from the router.

This meant that the default IP of 192.168.1.250 has been overwritten with assigned IP from the router.
I checked what the IP address was by looking in the DHCP client tables of the router (also Linksys).
The IP listed did not seem to be correct since I could not access the web front end.

My problem is that I don't know what the IP address is on the hard wired Ethernet port and I cant get the bridge to connect to my router (since i cant access the setup)
so I cant assign a new address by DHCP that I can use to access the web front end. I need away to scan for the IP address in use when it is connected to my computer. I have already tried a ping utility that scans IP ranges, to scan the range used by the router for DHCP but with no luck. It could be any address with in the 255.255.255.0 subnet.

Any ideas?

James
------=_Part_56506_31087444.1175803981251-- From smcv at pseudorandom.co.uk Thu Apr 5 22:38:38 2007 From: smcv at pseudorandom.co.uk (Simon McVittie) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2007 22:38:38 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Ethernet bridge problem In-Reply-To: <703ba4810704051313t4c4d0e37h68e6f28b327351d6@mail.gmail.com> References: <703ba4810704051313t4c4d0e37h68e6f28b327351d6@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070405213838.GA29973@celebrin.pseudorandom.co.uk> On Thu, 05 Apr 2007 at 21:13:01 +0100, James Cranwell-Ward wrote: > so I cant assign a new address by DHCP that I can use to access the web > front end. I need away to scan for the IP address in use when it is > connected to my computer. I have already tried a ping utility that scans IP > ranges, to scan the range used by the router for DHCP but with no luck. It > could be any address with in the 255.255.255.0 subnet. If it has a web interface, you could do something like: for i in `seq 1 254`; do wget -t 1 -T 5 -O $i.out http://1.2.3.$i; done (where 1.2.3.x is your subnet). After a while you'll get 254 numbered files 1.out up to 254.out. Some of them will be more than zero bytes long; those numbers are the last byte of the IP address of all the hosts running a web server. Look through the non-empty files for one that looks like it came from the bridge. (I'm sure this solution could be optimized with a bit of thought.) Simon From jcranwellward at gmail.com Fri Apr 6 00:03:55 2007 From: jcranwellward at gmail.com (James Cranwell-Ward) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 00:03:55 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Ethernet bridge problem Message-ID: <703ba4810704051603m136ecc0fo908cbc4bdc432802@mail.gmail.com> ------=_Part_58402_16575189.1175814235798 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Thanks for all your help with this problem. The solution was to implement a loop to check all the addresses on my subnet to find the one that was active (thanks simon). James ------=_Part_58402_16575189.1175814235798 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Thanks for all your help with this problem.

The solution was to implement a loop to check all the addresses on my subnet to find the one that was active (thanks simon).

James

------=_Part_58402_16575189.1175814235798-- From charles at briscoe-smith.org.uk Fri Apr 6 00:05:30 2007 From: charles at briscoe-smith.org.uk (Charles Briscoe-Smith) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 00:05:30 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Ethernet bridge problem In-Reply-To: <20070405213838.GA29973@celebrin.pseudorandom.co.uk> Message-ID: <20070406000530.A1832@merry.bs.lan> On Thu, Apr 05, 2007 at 10:38:38PM +0100, Simon McVittie wrote: > for i in `seq 1 254`; do wget -t 1 -T 5 -O $i.out http://1.2.3.$i; done > (I'm sure this solution could be optimized with a bit of thought.) nmap -sT -p 80 1.2.3.0/24 -- Charles Briscoe-Smith Hacking Free Software for fun and profit Mead error: Connection reset by beer. -- seen on IRC From amacater at galactic.demon.co.uk Fri Apr 6 15:24:33 2007 From: amacater at galactic.demon.co.uk (Andrew M.A. Cater) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 14:24:33 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] Etch release party, Cambridge, 14th April In-Reply-To: <20070404100112.GB25196@einval.com> References: <20070404100112.GB25196@einval.com> Message-ID: <20070406142432.GA9142@galactic.demon.co.uk> On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 11:01:12AM +0100, Steve McIntyre wrote: > It seems we're going to release soon. Once it's done, I'd like to get > really quite drunk and I don't like drinking alone... :-) > > Therefore, please come and join me in Cambridge on the weekend of > Saturday the 14th. There'll be booze, and probably some other DDs > around. Oh, and I might just *possibly* be persuaded to light the bbq > as well. *grin* > > http://wiki.earth.li/EtchReleaseParty > > for more details and sign-up. > Can't make it, I'm afraid - but will drink a virtual beer for you :) AndyC > -- > Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com > "...In the UNIX world, people tend to interpret `non-technical user' > as meaning someone who's only ever written one device driver." -- Daniel Pead From paddy at panici.net Fri Apr 6 14:02:54 2007 From: paddy at panici.net (paddy@panici.net) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2007 13:02:54 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? In-Reply-To: <543a57a80704040759t31157bd5wbd9e6c45a644d31a@mail.gmail.com> References: <543a57a80704040659o4268d7f9t9ccd58dd75b0ba37@mail.gmail.com> <20070404145152.GA3352@bashton.com> <543a57a80704040759t31157bd5wbd9e6c45a644d31a@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20070406130254.GA24987@homer.panici.net> On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:59:57PM +0100, Joel Merrick wrote: > On 4/4/07, Sam Bashton wrote: > > >http://ebox-platform.com/ > > > >It has a pretty web-based front-end, and fulfils most of the > >requirements for a small business server. > > > > Wow, that's awesome.. exactly the kind of thing that I was looking for! > > I can't believe I've never heard of it yet > > Thanks for the heads-up note: "eBox is meant to be installed on a dedicated machine, all configuration tasks are performed through the eBox web interface. This means that the configuration of the underlying services is one-way: eBox modules generate configuration files, overwriting system files in some cases (although that tends to be avoided if possible) and manual changes to those files are not detected by eBox." I was very interested up until that point. Actually, it's still interesting enough that I will boot one up for a look-see, but past experience suggests that the above is a show-stopper for me. Contrast webmin which, whatever faults it may have, tries to get this right. Are there any other contenders ? Regards, Paddy From charles at briscoe-smith.org.uk Mon Apr 16 17:57:56 2007 From: charles at briscoe-smith.org.uk (Charles Briscoe-Smith) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 17:57:56 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] www.uk.debian.org connectivity problems? Message-ID: <20070416175756.B1832@merry.bs.lan> Is it just me, or is there some kind of route/network flapping going on between www.uk.debian.org (free.hands.com) and the 'net at large? Mtr shows this pattern: 6. 194.117.136.146 ................................................. 7. ge0-1.linx.lon.rapidswit ....................................?............ 8. 0.0.0.0 ????????????????????????????????????????????????? 9. free.hands.com .....???????????..?...........?????????????.....? I first noticed it last night at around 2am and assumed it was down to scheduled maintenance or the like, but it's still happening now. :( -- Charles Briscoe-Smith Hacking Free Software for fun and profit Mead error: Connection reset by beer. -- seen on IRC From steve at einval.com Mon Apr 16 18:03:57 2007 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:03:57 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] www.uk.debian.org connectivity problems? In-Reply-To: <20070416175756.B1832@merry.bs.lan> References: <20070416175756.B1832@merry.bs.lan> Message-ID: <20070416170357.GF6563@einval.com> On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 05:57:56PM +0100, Charles Briscoe-Smith wrote: >Is it just me, or is there some kind of route/network flapping going on >between www.uk.debian.org (free.hands.com) and the 'net at large? > >Mtr shows this pattern: > > 6. 194.117.136.146 ................................................. > 7. ge0-1.linx.lon.rapidswit ....................................?............ > 8. 0.0.0.0 ????????????????????????????????????????????????? > 9. free.hands.com .....???????????..?...........?????????????.....? > >I first noticed it last night at around 2am and assumed it was down to >scheduled maintenance or the like, but it's still happening now. :( It seems a little unhappy atm, or maybe the switch it's connected to. The NIC driver is complaining a lot... :-( And of course Phil's away atm. Sod's law. -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com Welcome my son, welcome to the machine. From P.S.S.Camp at kent.ac.uk Mon Apr 16 18:17:53 2007 From: P.S.S.Camp at kent.ac.uk (P.S.S.Camp) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 18:17:53 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Debian-uk] www.uk.debian.org connectivity problems? In-Reply-To: <20070416170357.GF6563@einval.com> References: <20070416175756.B1832@merry.bs.lan> <20070416170357.GF6563@einval.com> Message-ID: Please feel free to use http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/backports.org ... Any feedback welcome ;-) Phill. On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Steve McIntyre wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 05:57:56PM +0100, Charles Briscoe-Smith wrote: > >Is it just me, or is there some kind of route/network flapping going on > >between www.uk.debian.org (free.hands.com) and the 'net at large? > > > >Mtr shows this pattern: > > > > 6. 194.117.136.146 ................................................. > > 7. ge0-1.linx.lon.rapidswit ....................................?............ > > 8. 0.0.0.0 ????????????????????????????????????????????????? > > 9. free.hands.com .....???????????..?...........?????????????.....? > > > >I first noticed it last night at around 2am and assumed it was down to > >scheduled maintenance or the like, but it's still happening now. :( > > It seems a little unhappy atm, or maybe the switch it's connected > to. The NIC driver is complaining a lot... :-( > > And of course Phil's away atm. Sod's law. > > -- Senior Computer Science Computing Officer University Of Kent, Canterbury Computer Science Systems The Mirror Service National Open Development Environment From amacater at galactic.demon.co.uk Mon Apr 16 21:47:35 2007 From: amacater at galactic.demon.co.uk (Andrew M.A. Cater) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 20:47:35 +0000 Subject: [Debian-uk] www.uk.debian.org connectivity problems? In-Reply-To: References: <20070416175756.B1832@merry.bs.lan> <20070416170357.GF6563@einval.com> Message-ID: <20070416204735.GA31502@galactic.demon.co.uk> On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 06:17:53PM +0100, P.S.S.Camp wrote: > > Please feel free to use > > http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian > http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/backports.org > ... > I saw that JISC were pulling mirror.ac.uk the other day. That must make your staff feel rather annoyed, I'd imagine, given recent history :( I've always experienced superlative service from you and yours: are you still willing and able to continue to provide a Debian mirror longterm? The reason I ask is because we may update the mirrors list when 4.0r1 happens: blueyonder also went off the 'Net now that they've been replaced by Virgin Media. I don't know whether they got forwarding/redirects to work properly. Thanks for yours and your staffs help and service over the years - it's very much appreciated by this Debian user. > Any feedback welcome ;-) > > Phill. > Andy From P.S.S.Camp at kent.ac.uk Mon Apr 16 23:17:18 2007 From: P.S.S.Camp at kent.ac.uk (P.S.S.Camp) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2007 23:17:18 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Debian-uk] www.uk.debian.org connectivity problems? In-Reply-To: <20070416204735.GA31502@galactic.demon.co.uk> References: <20070416175756.B1832@merry.bs.lan> <20070416170357.GF6563@einval.com> <20070416204735.GA31502@galactic.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: On Mon, 16 Apr 2007, Andrew M.A. Cater wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 06:17:53PM +0100, P.S.S.Camp wrote: > > > > Please feel free to use > > > > http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/ftp.debian.org/debian > > http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/backports.org > > ... > > > > I saw that JISC were pulling mirror.ac.uk the other day. That must make > your staff feel rather annoyed, I'd imagine, given recent history :( yes rather I can't comment any further yet. All that i can say is that any a all feedback along the line that the community would like JISC to fund such a service would be very welcome. specially directly to the JISC. > > I've always experienced superlative service from you and yours: are you > still willing and able to continue to provide a Debian mirror longterm? Yes and will do for the foreseeable future. Just added an extra TB of storage and we are now doing all arches in the debian archive, and will for debian cd too once I jiggle discs and server. The University Of Kent fully supports mirrorservice.org > > The reason I ask is because we may update the mirrors list when 4.0r1 > happens: blueyonder also went off the 'Net now that they've been > replaced by Virgin Media. I don't know whether they got > forwarding/redirects to work properly. > > Thanks for yours and your staffs help and service over the years - it's > very much appreciated by this Debian user. Thank you Always glad to help and after all mirrorservice.org runs on debian. thanks Phill > > > Any feedback welcome ;-) > > > > Phill. > > > Andy > > > > _______________________________________________ > Debian-uk maillist - Debian-uk@chiark.greenend.org.uk > http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/mailman/listinfo/debian-uk > -- Senior Computer Science Computing Officer University Of Kent, Canterbury Computer Science Systems The Mirror Service National Open Development Environment From pm at debian.org Tue Apr 17 09:46:54 2007 From: pm at debian.org (Paul Martin) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 09:46:54 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] www.uk.debian.org connectivity problems? In-Reply-To: <20070416175756.B1832@merry.bs.lan> References: <20070416175756.B1832@merry.bs.lan> Message-ID: <20070417084654.GA4077@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 05:57:56PM +0100, Charles Briscoe-Smith wrote: > Is it just me, or is there some kind of route/network flapping going on > between www.uk.debian.org (free.hands.com) and the 'net at large? Feel free to use debian.zetnet.co.uk (http, ftp, rsync) for packages. We carry i386, amd64, mipsel and source. The hardware it's running on (Cobalt RAQ3) can't handle DMA to a drive bigger than 128GiB, so we can't run a full mirror. -- Paul Martin From stuart.yeates at oucs.ox.ac.uk Tue Apr 17 11:51:04 2007 From: stuart.yeates at oucs.ox.ac.uk (Stuart Yeates) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2007 11:51:04 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] www.uk.debian.org connectivity problems? In-Reply-To: <20070417084654.GA4077@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> References: <20070416175756.B1832@merry.bs.lan> <20070417084654.GA4077@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk> Message-ID: <4624A698.7090904@oucs.ox.ac.uk> Paul Martin wrote: > On Mon, Apr 16, 2007 at 05:57:56PM +0100, Charles Briscoe-Smith wrote: >> Is it just me, or is there some kind of route/network flapping going on >> between www.uk.debian.org (free.hands.com) and the 'net at large? > > Feel free to use debian.zetnet.co.uk (http, ftp, rsync) for packages. We > carry i386, amd64, mipsel and source. > > The hardware it's running on (Cobalt RAQ3) can't handle DMA to a drive > bigger than 128GiB, so we can't run a full mirror. > We have a local mirror here which is accessible to the world: http://mirror.ox.ac.uk/ I don't maintain it, so I have no idea how complete it is. cheers stuart From steve at einval.com Fri Apr 20 16:42:03 2007 From: steve at einval.com (Steve McIntyre) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2007 16:42:03 +0100 Subject: [Debian-uk] Short notice: meetup in London Sat afternoon? Message-ID: <20070420154203.GB9425@einval.com> Neil and I need to head into west London for a kilt fitting[1] and we're planning on heading to a pub beforehand. Feel free to come and find us at The Windsor Castle, Kensington[2] from 2-ish onwards if you'd like a natter. [1] Yes, _kilt_ *grin* - see http://blog.hands.com/debian/debconf/tartan [2] http://www.beerintheevening.com/pubs/s/13/1338/Windsor_Castle/Kensington -- Steve McIntyre, Cambridge, UK. steve@einval.com "...In the UNIX world, people tend to interpret `non-technical user' as meaning someone who's only ever written one device driver." -- Daniel Pead From daniel at pocock.com.au Mon Apr 23 18:50:44 2007 From: daniel at pocock.com.au (Daniel Pocock) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2007 18:50:44 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Debian-uk] Finance job - linux dev Message-ID: <30960.192.165.213.18.1177350644.squirrel@secure.trendhosting.net> Hi, I'm not a professional recruiter, however, I'm aware of a couple of cool job opportunities involving both UNIX dev and support work. The company is a well known British plc with global reach. If you are interested in knowing more, please contact me. I will need a copy of your CV, and I will then put it on the desk of the guy doing the hiring. The following details are quite important: - location: Paris - experience: 5 yrs or more, strong SQL skills (preferably Sybase), UNIX skills (Solaris or Linux), C/C++ dev skills - highly desirable but not essential: finance experience, European language Of particular interest to people on this list is the fact that this company is just starting to move their product towards Linux. Therefore, this is the ideal time for people with strong experience of Linux (both the technology and the principles) to be getting involved. Regards, Daniel From isaac at warp.es Sat Apr 28 15:14:51 2007 From: isaac at warp.es (Isaac Clerencia) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2007 16:14:51 +0200 Subject: [Debian-uk] OT: What's required for a debian based small business server? Message-ID: <200704281614.54687.isaac@warp.es> --nextPart1271190.xPF1m24epT Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Wed, Apr 04, 2007 at 03:59:57PM +0100, Joel Merrick wrote: > > On 4/4/07, Sam Bashton wrote: > >=20 > > >http://ebox-platform.com/ Hi there, and sorry for breaking the thread. I am not subscribed to the lis= t,=20 so please CC me on answers. My name is Isaac Clerencia and I am one of the eBox developers. > note: >=20 > "eBox is meant to be installed on a dedicated machine, all configuration > tasks are performed through the eBox web interface. This means that the > configuration of the underlying services is one-way: eBox modules > generate configuration files, overwriting system files in some cases > (although that tends to be avoided if possible) and manual changes to > those files are not detected by eBox." >=20 > I was very interested up until that point. Well, the main point of eBox is providing an *integrated* way of configurin= g=20 services. By integrated I mean that if you change something in the=20 configuration of a service that may affect other services, eBox always do=20 whatever is needed to keep the whole thing working correctly and in the way= =20 you would expect, i.e., if you change the IP of a network interface which i= s=20 configured to serve DHCP, it will warn you about that and if you go on with= =20 the changes it will remove the required lines from dhcpd.conf so everything= =20 keeps working as intended. Of course we could try to parse every=20 configuration file out there, but that's a lot of work. We thought about=20 doing it in the beginning and checked if webmin parsing functions could be= =20 useful, but webmin code was in quite a bad shape and the effort to either u= se=20 it or write parsers wasn't worth. > Actually, it's still interesting enough that I will boot one up for a > look-see, but past experience suggests that the above is a show-stopper > for me. eBox generates the configuration files for services using templates, where = it=20 substitutes some values generated from the data gathered through the web=20 interface. If you want to change some configuration you can do it in the=20 template, as long as that changes don't interfere with the values feeded by= =20 eBox (which are quite clearly marked). The only caveat is that this changes= =20 will be overwritten on upgrades, so you would need to do them again. The=20 templates are located at /usr/share/ebox/templates// > Contrast webmin which, whatever faults it may have, tries to =20 > get this right. I would say that it tries to do it in other way. webmin allows you to=20 configure stuff without knowing the exact file syntax, but you still need t= o=20 know most details about the underlying service, while eBox offers a really= =20 easy to use interface. Best regards and thank you for your interest in eBox :) =2D-=20 Isaac Clerencia at Warp Networks, http://www.warp.es Work: | Debian: --nextPart1271190.xPF1m24epT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Signed by Isaac Clerencia iD8DBQBGM1beQET2GFTmct4RAvbkAJ9ogPUUwC9NmffZqWvvknPCtmHlEQCfYWrc mKMs7ZKo6bo9b8Ic1Jn+kB0= =1kBI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1271190.xPF1m24epT--