Hard dependencies on systemd :(

[tito]

On Sun, 21 Aug 2022 23:35:56 +0200 (CEST)
matthias.geiger1024 at tutanota.de wrote:

> My problem was that I didn't purge libsystemd0 beforehand. Once I did that (and installed libelogind0) all worked fine. I just thought about two thing that maybe would improve the user experience:
> 
> 1. The debian wiki article for switching init systems is outdated/is missing some information imho. Should I add the whole process how to set up a systemd-free installation? In regards to that, maybe expand on which software "works" with another init (meaning services like pipewire and DE, such as GNOME) and which doesn't. 

The following DE's_

   GNOME/GNOME FLASHBACK
    LXDE
    LXQT
    XFCE
    KDE
   MATE
   CINNAMON

could be migrated from a standard debian to devuan.
You could see through what hops you have to jump
to achieve this by looking at this script:

https://git.devuan.org/farmatito/migration

> 2. For some services no init files are provided, meaning one has to write them. Pipewire for example does only ship an systemd init file.
> Should I start a salsa repo with a "collection" of init scripts? I read about the ITP for the systemd init converter, is there any progess?

There is the orphan-sysvinit-scripts deb package in devuan where missing init scripts are/could be added.

Hope this helps.
Ciao,
Tito

> 
> 
> Thanks for the help.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> Matthias Geiger (werdahias)
> 
> Datum: 20. Aug. 2022, 16:14
> Von: matthias.geiger1024 at tutanota.de
> An: debian-init-diversity at chiark.greenend.org.uk
> Betreff: Re: Hard dependencies on systemd :(
> 
> 
> > So I just did a re-install of an openrc debian testing vm. apt install sway -s definitely will install systemd.
> > I'll try installing libelogind0 beforehand and pinning systemd as Thorsten suggested.
> >
> > Cheers
> >
> > werdahias
> >
> >
> > 20. Aug. 2022, 16:08 von t.glaser at tarent.de:
> >
> >> On Sat, 20 Aug 2022, The Wanderer wrote:
> >>
> >>> On my daily production system (running sysvinit, not systemd or openrc):
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> $ apt-get --dry-run install sway
> >>>
> >> […]
> >>
> >> Then Matthias should do:
> >>
> >> apt-get install sway systemd-
> >>
> >> This should force keeping it uninstalled. If that doesn’t work:
> >>
> >> sudo dd of=/etc/apt/preferences.d/systemd <<\EOF
> >> Package: systemd
> >> Pin: version *
> >> Pin-Priority: -1
> >>
> >> EOF
> >>
> >>
> >> Good luck,
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