Response to active removal of initscripts

Thorsten Glaser t.glaser at
Mon Nov 16 17:40:19 GMT 2020

On Mon, 16 Nov 2020, Matthew Vernon wrote:

> I think so. Here's my starter for 10:

Sounds good. Let’s hope something can be done before the freeze.

> #921012 is about changing network-manager to Depend upon "default-logind |
> logind" rather than libpam-systemd
> The effect of this, and equivalent behaviour in some other packages, is that
> it is going to be impossible to make a useful Bullseye for users who want to
> use sysvinit.

Maybe it should be useful to notice that, on a buster(!) system already,
when force-installing (via dpkg) network-manager then changing the Depends
line in /var/lib/dpkg/status with a text editor, it’s possible to run it
and have a working n-m with elogind.

Maybe also point out that the fine people on this mailing list are willing
to help maintaining the init scripts and helping out supporting nōn-sd

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