Bug#940034: libelogind0: replacing a core system library and conflicting against the default init considered harmful

Mark Hindley mark at hindley.org.uk
Fri Sep 27 14:34:40 BST 2019


On Fri, Sep 27, 2019 at 09:19:10AM -0400, Sam Hartman wrote:
> >>>>> "Mark" == Mark Hindley <mark at hindley.org.uk> writes:
>     Mark> Sam, Since I cannot get a working and robust dpkg-divert
>     Mark> solution, I feel the need to revisit the validity of these
>     Mark> concerns.
> I'd like to push back on the phrasing here.
> What i'm hearing is that after spending a couple of weeks exploring ways
> to meet these concerns, you'd now like to push back on whether they are
> a good idea in the first place.
> That seems dismissive both of Julien's concerns and the engineering
> effort you and others have spent exploring what the valid options are.
> I agree with you that it's time to go back and revisit whether these
> concerns are requirements that we can meet.

I wasn't intending to be dismissive at all. And I apologise if sloppy or
careless use of language on my part gave that impression.


> I think it is fair to ask Julien as the bug submitter to engage here
> either by coming up with new options that none of us have explored or by
> coming up with specific problems. Alternatively it would be reasonable
> for him to ask someone else who has more time to dedicate to this issue
> to step in.
> In general, we expect maintainers to respond to RC bugs within two
> weeks.
> I think that in a situation like this it would be reasonable to expect
> Julien to respond within two weeks as well.
> However, for your information, DSA is having some significant hardware
> challenges and I think he is very involved in that.
> I'd recommend being very receptive to a specific request for more time.
> Assuming no response, I think it would be reasonable for you to close
> the bug after the timeout arguing that you have considered the issues
> he brought up, considered alternative designs, and articulated why this
> is the best option.

I am happy with that.

Thank you for your help, advice and facilitation.


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