Bug#940034: libelogind0: replacing a core system library and conflicting against the default init considered harmful

Michael Biebl biebl at debian.org
Wed Oct 30 16:59:46 GMT 2019

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 13:22:14 +0000 Ian Jackson
<ijackson at chiark.greenend.org.uk> wrote:

> The bulk of the bug is a discussion about the general approach to
> allowing Debian users to choose between systemd and elogind (and,
> therefore, allowing them to run desktoppy kind of software without
> systemd).  As discussed it seems that this C/R/P is needed to
> implement the approach which was agreed between the elogind and
> systemd maintainers.

I very much disagree with this summary.

In [1] I clearly expressed that I did not like this approach of having a
libelogind0 which replaces libsystemd0.

My feedback was ignored though, at which point I stopped engaging further.

And since the fallout from the decision to go with this approach
(despite my recommendation not to) was so tiresome and caused so much
friction, this will most likely be my only message regarding this topic.

> I think that it is appropriate that, if possible, the approach taken
> should be one that is agreeable to both sets of maintainers.  That
> makes for the least interpersonal friction (and of course the
> respective sets of maintainers are best placed to foresee issues and
> judge the merits and (in)elegance of possible approaches).
> So my starting point is that it doesn't seem to me to have been
> particularly fruitful to reopen this decision via this bug in this
> way.  But in any case, the decision has been discussed at some length
> here.  It doesn't appear that other options are better.

I think the best option is still the one I outlined in [1], i.e. getting
rid of libelogind0 completely in Debian and simply ensure that elogind
works in combination with libsystemd0.

[1] https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=923244#10
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